Originally posted by Viber
I don't see the relevance of each genre birthday to this discussion and i don't see why are you dismissing the use of Jazz elements in Drum and Bass as "a few rhodes and sax samples".
And again both of these genres grew in clubs, Jazz music is played mainly in Jazz clubs if i'm not mistaken and im sure there are people who dance to Jazz music...it seems like you're trying to make D&B seem insignificant\ illegitimate **a clubbed up poppy entertainment that has no business combining with real music **.
I'm not talking about jazz clubs, dance halls or speakeasies. I'm not talking about a club as a literal physical place. I'm talking about contemporary club music. 4/4 time, percussive intros, breakbeats, rewinds, MCs. Get it? The way I see it, a crucial part of jazz is the live performance of it, especially as there is a lot of emphasis on improvisation and expression. Dance music is not about freedom and expression, it's about rigidity, quantisation, sequencing, perfect playback. Jazzy jungle works just like dance music and has some jazz sounds. It doesn't work like jazz music with some electronic sounds.
And this has nothing to do with making drum 'n bass seem "illegitimate". I've got an atmospheric drum 'n bass mix in my sig.
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meh...maybe some...but not to the extant that you can call it "popped up".
Oh really?
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Whoa! ive been out of the loop, does that mean he sucks now?? did they invent Tech-Minimal Drum and Bass??!:nervous:
What the are you talking about, son?
wotyzoid
I don't see how liking jazz is pretentious...
idoru
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
The way I see it, a crucial part of jazz is the live performance of it, especially as there is a lot of emphasis on improvisation and expression. Dance music is not about freedom and expression, it's about rigidity, quantisation, sequencing, perfect playback. Jazzy jungle works just like dance music and has some jazz sounds. It doesn't work like jazz music with some electronic sounds.
Nail, head, etc.
Viber
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Jazzy jungle works just like dance music and has some jazz sounds. It doesn't work like jazz music with some electronic sounds.
I never called it Jazz music, i only said it features a good amount Jazz elements which play a great role in atmospheric d&b...i see your point overall and i agreed with it on pages 1-2.
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Oh really?
Never heard those two tracks and ill be surprised if only *some* pop radio djs will know any of these (i do know that there's a rap song similar to the 2nd track that did pretty good in the 90s)
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What the are you talking about, son?
Its just that all of his compilations\sets from 96-06' were a pleasure to listen to at home, i just wonder if he changed his style to something horrible like all good djs.
Lira
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Originally posted by wotyzoid
I don't see how liking jazz is pretentious...
Imagine yourself in a bar/café. If you hear pop music in the background, you expect your friends to talk about some party you attended, or the latest gossip. If they play reggae instead, you'll all be too lazy to talk about anything. And, if they play rock, the range of possible topics widens a bit, but it's still casual.
However, if there's jazz music playing in the background, everything changes. Suddenly everyone's already read Sartre, lattes and cappuccinos pop up all over the place, everyone ages a couple of decades in a matter of seconds, and everybody is a talented writer just waiting to make it in the literary world and win a bloody prize for having the deepest insights in the history of human nature ever forged by humanity since Platom despite the fact half of these so-called geniuses can't understand the noises flowing in the background which are supposed to be part of the greatest revolution in music theory after the day Bach last hacked a piano, but they like it because it is sure catchy.
It's pretty much like IDM, but has more appeal because it's not made "by a computer". Hence, it is pretentious :D
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by Viber
I never called it Jazz music, i only said it features a good amount Jazz elements which play a great role in atmospheric d&b...i see your point overall and i agreed with it on pages 1-2.
You said it's the "other half of jazz" which to me implied that atmospheric drum 'n bass was an important or major part of jazz.
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Its just that all of his compilations\sets from 96-06' were a pleasure to listen to at home, i just wonder if he changed his style to something horrible like all good djs.
The music is still good to listen to at home, but my point is it definitely works in a club. Even atmospheric drum 'n bass tends to have big basslines and intricate, repetitive percussion which makes it great for dancing. This is why I like it so much - it has that duality of being able to chill out or dance depending on the context.
Viber
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
To me implied that atmospheric drum 'n bass was an important or major part of jazz.
lol no!
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The music is still good to listen to at home, but my point is it definitely works in a club. Even atmospheric drum 'n bass tends to have big basslines and intricate, repetitive percussion which makes it great for dancing. This is why I like it so much - it has that duality of being able to chill out or dance depending on the context.
Yea, Bukem is probably the only DJ i would like to see.
wotyzoid
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Originally posted by Lira
Imagine yourself in a bar/café. If you hear pop music in the background, you expect your friends to talk about some party you attended, or the latest gossip. If they play reggae instead, you'll all be too lazy to talk about anything. And, if they play rock, the range of possible topics widens a bit, but it's still casual.
However, if there's jazz music playing in the background, everything changes. Suddenly everyone's already read Sartre, lattes and cappuccinos pop up all over the place, everyone ages a couple of decades in a matter of seconds, and everybody is a talented writer just waiting to make it in the literary world and win a bloody prize for having the deepest insights in the history of human nature ever forged by humanity since Platom despite the fact half of these so-called geniuses can't understand the noises flowing in the background which are supposed to be part of the greatest revolution in music theory after the day Bach last hacked a piano, but they like it because it is sure catchy.
It's pretty much like IDM, but has more appeal because it's not made "by a computer". Hence, it is pretentious :D
LOL no, desculpa Marcus, but no.
Lira
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Originally posted by wotyzoid
LOL no, desculpa Marcus, but no.
É uma piada, véi... mas, cê nunca chegou a ir pra um conservatório de música ou coisa assim, já? Os professores de jazz tendem a ser os mais insuportáveis por causa do elitismo :p
wotyzoid
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Originally posted by Lira
É uma piada, véi... mas, cê nunca chegou a ir pra um conservatório de música ou coisa assim, já? Os professores de jazz tendem a ser os mais insuportáveis por causa do elitismo :p
Nunca fui nao, bom saber. Tem esperiencias para contar?
Lira
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Originally posted by wotyzoid
Nunca fui nao, bom saber. Tem esperiencias para contar?
Nah, eles normalmente só torcem o nariz pra qualquer outro tipo de música (apesar de evitar falar sobre música clássica pra não entrarem em choque com os elitistas barrocos/românticos/etc).
O mais hilário é quando um professor é todo elitista em relação a jazz E nacionalista. Aí ele começa a chamar a música de "jaz"(como no verbo "jazer", "Aqui jaz fulano") e você entra naquela contradição de: mas, se ele é tão nacionalista assim, por que ele não prefere um tipo de música mais local, como forró?
Eu nunca entendi, e não tinha coragem de perguntar na época (freqüentei a Escola de Música de Brasília da 6a série até o finzinho do 2o grau).
igottaknow
Back a while ago I was into Brazilian Jazz singers like Milton Nascimento
