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Israel’s Greatest Loss: Its Moral Imagination (pg. 2)
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| jad |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
It is not just me, it is actually the entire world now bashing Israel and they have every right to. |
Strongly agreed. Why not make a difference if you have the chance to? Or at least let the world know what's going on in different countries? Awareness is the core predecessor of positive change. In the example of Canada.. being aware of the substandard conditions the natives live in would lead one to support them.. I support them by hearing what they have to say in seminars and by donating clothes and food to those in need. It's not going to solve all their problems.. but it sure does make a difference. One can sit around and accept the wicked ways of the world, or actually get off their ass and do something. You're fully entitled to your decisions.. but to sit around and do nothing is weak.
This is not aimed at you hardcore trancer. Respect for you open-mindedness. This question is though.. what do these other TAs mean by 'bait'? |
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| jad |
| ^^ Correction: **your open-mindedness. That was only one example of Canada.. one which I can associate with on a personal level.. there are countless examples prevalent in every corner of this planet. If one doesn't push for change and leaves it in the hands of politicians.. then I'm pretty sure the world will get worse.. at a much faster rate. Silence is a cowardly option. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by jad
Strongly agreed. Why not make a difference if you have the chance to? Or at least let the world know what's going on in different countries? Awareness is the core predecessor of positive change. In the example of Canada.. being aware of the substandard conditions the natives live in would lead one to support them.. I support them by hearing what they have to say in seminars and by donating clothes and food to those in need. It's not going to solve all their problems.. but it sure does make a difference. One can sit around and accept the wicked ways of the world, or actually get off their ass and do something. You're fully entitled to your decisions.. but to sit around and do nothing is weak. |
Excellent post Jad
| quote: | | This is not aimed at you hardcore trancer. Respect for you open-mindedness. This question is though.. what do these other TAs mean by 'bait'? |
No worries ;). When you say other TA's there are just actually two that are beyond brainwashed when it comes to Isreal. I wont name them but I think you know them very well around here. I would like to her their reasoning behind the whole "bait" nonsense as well. |
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| sheela2005 |
Following Israel’s bloody interdiction of the Gaza Flotilla, I called a life-long friend in Israel to inquire about the mood of the country. My friend, an intellectual and a kind and generous man, has nevertheless long sided with Israeli hardliners. Still, I was entirely unprepared for his response. He told me—in a voice trembling with emotion—that the world’s outpouring of condemnation of Israel is reminiscent of the dark period of the Hitler era.
He told me most everyone in Israel felt that way, with the exception of Meretz, a small Israeli pro-peace party. “But for all practical purposes,” he said, “they are Arabs.”
Like me, my friend personally experienced those dark Hitler years, having lived under Nazi occupation, as did so many of Israel’s Jewish citizens. I was therefore stunned by the analogy. He went on to say that the so-called human rights activists on the Turkish ship were in fact terrorists and thugs paid to assault Israeli authorities to provoke an incident that would discredit the Jewish state. The evidence for this, he said, is that many of these activists were found by Israeli authorities to have on them ten thousand dollars, “exactly the same amount!” he exclaimed.
When I managed to get over the shock of that exchange, it struck me that the invocation of the Hitler era was actually a frighteningly apt and searing analogy, although not the one my friend intended. A million and a half civilians have been forced to live in an open-air prison in inhuman conditions for over three years now, but unlike the Hitler years, they are not Jews but Palestinians. Their jailers, incredibly, are survivors of the Holocaust, or their descendants. Of course, the inmates of Gaza are not destined for gas chambers, as the Jews were, but they have been reduced to a debased and hopeless existence.
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by sheela2005
Following Israel’s bloody interdiction of the Gaza Flotilla, I called a life-long friend in Israel to inquire about the mood of the country. My friend, an intellectual and a kind and generous man, has nevertheless long sided with Israeli hardliners. Still, I was entirely unprepared for his response. He told me—in a voice trembling with emotion—that the world’s outpouring of condemnation of Israel is reminiscent of the dark period of the Hitler era.
He told me most everyone in Israel felt that way, with the exception of Meretz, a small Israeli pro-peace party. “But for all practical purposes,” he said, “they are Arabs.”
Like me, my friend personally experienced those dark Hitler years, having lived under Nazi occupation, as did so many of Israel’s Jewish citizens. I was therefore stunned by the analogy. He went on to say that the so-called human rights activists on the Turkish ship were in fact terrorists and thugs paid to assault Israeli authorities to provoke an incident that would discredit the Jewish state. The evidence for this, he said, is that many of these activists were found by Israeli authorities to have on them ten thousand dollars, “exactly the same amount!” he exclaimed.
When I managed to get over the shock of that exchange, it struck me that the invocation of the Hitler era was actually a frighteningly apt and searing analogy, although not the one my friend intended. A million and a half civilians have been forced to live in an open-air prison in inhuman conditions for over three years now, but unlike the Hitler years, they are not Jews but Palestinians. Their jailers, incredibly, are survivors of the Holocaust, or their descendants. Of course, the inmates of Gaza are not destined for gas chambers, as the Jews were, but they have been reduced to a debased and hopeless existence.
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Interesting ...
Personally, I used to be very pro-Israel, and starting around 2004-ish i've gradually become disenchanted with the acts of agression in the region. They have violated countless international laws, by bombing and invading a sovereign nation of Lebanon - killing hundreds of civilians in the process, by building illegal settlements in the West Bank on the occupied land - again, against internationsl obligations, by continuously using apartheid ways of subjigating Arabs and Palestinians in the territories, by keeping them in isolation and poverty, by using constant raid and attacks which kill plenty of civilians; by launching a massive campaign of devastation against already cripped Gaza that violated several rules of war, including the use of illegal weapons and targeting civilians.
Finally, the recent barbaric attack on an aid flotilla in INTERNATIONAL waters painted a very accurate image of Israel as a very agressive and violent state that uses heavy-handed tactics and ignores international laws and jurisdiction.
What are they thinking in Tel-Aviv? Dont they see that Jews are going to be hated more for this? What are they going to achieve from all this? Peace?!?! |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
What are they going to achieve from all this? Peace?!?! |
They now have a lot more enemies in the world that’s for sure and believe it or not they will be more hated and isolated than ever. |
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| The Potter |
I'd say that people have every right to always 'bash' the government of a country that is occupying them, oppressing them, and denying them the basic freedoms enjoyed by the majority of the world. By the same logic, was it wrong for Poland, France, Russia, Britain, etc. to as doggedly bash Germany when it tried to invade these countries and deny millions the same basic human rights? Was it as reprehensible for the US to so resolutely bash Japan during WW2? How about the incessant bashing of the South African government's system of apartheid?
'Moral imagination' is what some people on this forum clearly need to engage a tad more. |
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| Magnetonium |
Picture responses are such a meaningful and insightful way contributing to a discussion, eh.
Would be better if you guys stated your cases. We'd like to hear it. To see if you guys comprehend the topic. |
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| VERTiG0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Picture responses are such a meaningful and insightful way contributing to a discussion, eh.
Would be better if you guys stated your cases. We'd like to hear it. To see if you guys comprehend the topic. |
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