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FAO: Lira - 21 Accents (pg. 3)
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Consonant. Its dur in Rider, and tur (like in turd) for writer. |
Oh. Seattle is close to Vancouver, so I figured you'd say "rider" with an "aye" and "writer" with an uh-y.
You're off the hook here too but your bayg for beg is still a proof that your accent is not as 'neutral' as you probably wish it were :p |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Oh. Seattle is close to Vancouver, so I figured you'd say "rider" with an "aye" and "writer" with an uh-y.
You're off the hook here too but your bayg for beg is still a proof that your accent is not as 'neutral' as you probably wish it were :p |
No, I recanted on that. The ck in beck made me confused when I say it. I looked up a similar comparison, bag being pronounced "bayg" and realized thats now how I say it at all. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Yea I pointed that out already, and that wiki article specifically says that it spread to the PNW and California with the large migration of farmers. My grand parents were from South Dakota on my mothers side and my grand parents on my dads side from Missouri. |
And your accent is more neutral than theirs why?
(I'm going to bed, so if I don't reply, my body is to blame) |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
And your accent is more neutral than theirs why?
(I'm going to bed, so if I don't reply, my body is to blame) |
Because I think that the caught-cot merger is the appropriate way to say it and the PNW has it almost fully integrated.
Also there is a lot of, and i dont know the right words for this in phonetics, pitch shifts in californian english that are not present in PNW english. They tend to swing up at the end of words (that classic "valley girl" sound that the girl in the video makes, but not as drastic as that). |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Because I think that the caught-cot merger is the appropriate way to say it and the PNW has it almost fully integrated.
Also there is a lot of, and i dont know the right words for this in phonetics, pitch shifts in californian english that are not present in PNW english. They tend to swing up at the end of words (that classic "valley girl" sound that the girl in the video makes, but not as drastic as that). |
Wait, I'm still here, and this one is easy. The term you want is "uptalk". Like when you say something and then you rise up in the end? Like you're asking rather than asserting?
But, this is common all around the world? And it says in the article that it is also common in Oregon? Is it not in Washington? And why would it be a bad thing? I once met an uptalker from Wisconsin?
(Kay, that's it, I'm gone now :p) |
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| r5a |
| the toronto accent sounds awful. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Wait, I'm still here, and this one is easy. The term you want is "uptalk". Like when you say something and then you rise up in the end? Like you're asking rather than asserting?
But, this is common all around the world? And it says in the article that it is also common in Oregon? Is it not in Washington? And why would it be a bad thing? I once met an uptalker from Wisconsin?
(Kay, that's it, I'm gone now :p) |
Horribly uncommon here. We had a big move of Californians up here in the late 90s and early 2000s when the housing boom was going on and you can tell them apart easily by that uptalk. Not all Californians, but a lot of them, very easy to tell. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
OK so I talked to my cousins boyfriend about this very thread this morning. He is a Turkish native, speaks Turkish, etc. He said that when he first came to the US he could not understand people in New York at all. He came here and he said we are the most easily understood people in the country and he has heard from many foreign speakers as well that they consider PNW english to be the most neutral of all the US english accents. His sister was visiting recently and she said that she was really impressed with how easy it is for us to be understood.
He said that we tend to speak very clearly, and it also has to do with our sentence structure. We tend to clearly define what we are saying and speak in a very easy to understand tempo and cadence. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
OK so I talked to my cousins boyfriend about this very thread this morning. He is a Turkish native, speaks Turkish, etc. He said that when he first came to the US he could not understand people in New York at all. He came here and he said we are the most easily understood people in the country and he has heard from many foreign speakers as well that they consider PNW english to be the most neutral of all the US english accents. His sister was visiting recently and she said that she was really impressed with how easy it is for us to be understood.
He said that we tend to speak very clearly, and it also has to do with our sentence structure. We tend to clearly define what we are saying and speak in a very easy to understand tempo and cadence. |
Bahaha, really? Lol . :stongue: :stongue: |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Bahaha, really? Lol . :stongue: :stongue: |
What? We were on the topic of languages anyways and I mentioned I was arguing with a linguist. I didn't say it was specifically on this forum. :p
We were talking about learning other languages and how Dutch people sound like Germans talking while chewing on gravel. :p |
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