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Doctor Assisted Suicide (pg. 4)
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| Silky Johnson |
The closest thing we have to right to die laws are advanced directives, but that's a WAY more passive approach than assisted suicide.
There are many places where right right to die/death with dignity laws exist. Basically, the way it works is terminal people have the option to die with dignity (i.e. without suffering/withering away/etc); however they (or their proxy decision maker) has to be deemed capable of making such a decision, as well as able to comprehend the whole scope of it. It goes before an ethics board as well.
That's why the whole "slippery slope" argument is bull, because obviously someone who just wants to kill themselves because they're depressed or whatever has a mental illness - and therefore do not have the capacity to make such a decision. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
We put animals out their misery but don't extend the same courtesy to human beings |
i don't like this arguement either. humans also kill animals because there are too many of them. one day you are killing the sick dying people and the next day you are killing sick dying people for space and next thing is you are killing people willy nilly. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
Will I still get my 72 virgins? |
yeah but they will all be males. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
The closest thing we have to right to die laws are advanced directives, but that's a WAY more passive approach than assisted suicide. |
I agree with the passive approach. Palliative care is very great goal. Basically not doing or trying everything to save the life but making the last days as comfortable as possible.
| quote: | | There are many places where right right to die/death with dignity laws exist. Basically, the way it works is terminal people have the option to die with dignity (i.e. without suffering/withering away/etc); however they (or their proxy decision maker) has to be deemed capable of making such a decision, as well as able to comprehend the whole scope of it. It goes before an ethics board as well. |
OK, so who chooses the ethics board. What if the choosen always lean towards euthanasia? What if the proxy making the choice has a lot to gain from insurance? I mean, anyone can pretty sure gurantee i can convince an ethics board that i undertand the scope of the decision. people can be under diress too.
| quote: | | That's why the whole "slippery slope" argument is bull, because obviously someone who just wants to kill themselves because they're depressed or whatever has a mental illness - and therefore do not have the capacity to make such a decision. |
i don't think it's bull. if you look at capital punishment, there are tons of cases that show a person was either mentally handicapped, or didn't do the crime. same kind of senerios can be be found with euthanasia. people that didn't really want to die could die. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Have you seen what palliative care looks like? I'm not really sure how "comfortable" it is to be doped up on morphine all the time - either sleeping or hallucinating, choking on your own body secretions, essentially starving to death. Some people's "last days" go on for weeks. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
yeah but they will all be males. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Have you seen what palliative care looks like? I'm not really sure how "comfortable" it is to be doped up on morphine all the time - either sleeping or hallucinating, choking on your own body secretions, essentially starving to death. Some people's "last days" go on for weeks. |
if that is truly the state of palliative care in canadian hospitals then obiously policies have to be changed.
for me that adds more to the side of the slippery slope theory.
palliative care is supposed to be helpful. but now there are too many dying people in hospital beds. the easiest option for care is doping them up and forget about it until they die. the ultimate goal of palliative care is to give the person as many "good" days at the end of their life. "good" should be doping them up and forgetting about it. the idea of palliative care is noble but the execution is horrible. the same thing will happen with euthanasia. the idea is noble but human nature will cause us to take the easy way out more often than not. |
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| Silky Johnson |
How do you propose palliative care should be then? My point is that no matter how "comfortable" and "good" you think you're making someone's last days, they would rather just be dead and get it over with.
edit: and "doping people up and forgetting about them" is NOT how palliative care is done, lol. That isn't what I was implying. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
edit: and "doping people up and forgetting about them" is NOT how palliative care is done, lol. That isn't what I was implying. |
sorry. i thought that is what you were implying.
how does it work? |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Depends on the person. But people aren't just drugged up and left to die. |
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| Adamo |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Depends on the person. But people aren't just drugged up and left to die. |
Well then...thats no fun. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| Everybody has made the illness argument and seems to agree on it - but what about the 85 y/o man who just lost his wife of 60 years and has decided that he doesn't want to live anymore? Should he not be permitted the same peace as someone who is critically ill? There are many other similar examples. |
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