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The concept of Form (pg. 4)
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| Mad for Brad |
I think it is pretty well established here that I do in fact know what I am talking about. I am unfortunately so overqualified in the realm of music that to even meddle in the mud with the likes of you would be rather embarrassing for both parties involved.
You might not see fit but the advice i'm giving is rather good advice most people won't give. As someone that has really studied classical music, I feel that many ideas that great composers used to make their works "classic" can be employed for EDM just like they are applied in any other art form. Everything I've mentioned are things people take into account but they do tend to be professionals. But isn't that the sort of information you want ? The information that makes people stand out and for lack of a better work professional ?
Please don't goad me as I don't find it enjoyable. |
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| EddieZilker |
If you two don't stop arguing, I'm pulling the forum over and we're going to turn right back around and go straight home! |
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| Mad for Brad |
| If i've earned anything in the last 26 years of gruelling work at being a super awesome musician, it is to not have to answer to dumb button pushers that think they are producers. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
If i've earned anything in the last 26 years of gruelling work at being a super awesome musician, it is to not have to answer to dumb button pushers that think they are producers. |
You're ing grounded! :p |
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| Mad for Brad |
| i hate you. you're ruining my life. |
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| cryophonik |
| Spank him, Eddie!!! :p |
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| theterran |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
I think it is pretty well established here that I do in fact know what I am talking about. I am unfortunately so overqualified in the realm of music that to even meddle in the mud with the likes of you would be rather embarrassing for both parties involved.
You might not see fit but the advice i'm giving is rather good advice most people won't give. As someone that has really studied classical music, I feel that many ideas that great composers used to make their works "classic" can be employed for EDM just like they are applied in any other art form. Everything I've mentioned are things people take into account but they do tend to be professionals. But isn't that the sort of information you want ? The information that makes people stand out and for lack of a better work professional ?
Please don't goad me as I don't find it enjoyable. |
Do elaborate on your credentials...
I'll openly admit that I'm an amateur hobbyist, and leave it at that.
Additionally, I really don't care how a dominant fifth might transition into a minor harmonic 3rd...or any of that jazz.
The part that frustrates me is that I don't see any explicit advice given in the OP... It's simply "Make sure your tracks follow form guys..." and that's about it. And the confusion that ensued only reinforces the point. "Only one person got what I was talking about guise..." Maybe you're point was unclear.
There's some stuff in there about not having random synths in certain places, but that reeks of subjectivity. If you want to stick a nose right in the middle of the forehead, that doesn't mean you're a ty artist, it just means you're Van Gogh. (And yeah, not everyone's gonna like your art anyway)
Cryophonik has already nailed most of the key points in a concise manner, so probably not much else to say.
When a professor is teaching a subject, they show the basic principals involved and then provide you with example problems. From you brad, it seems like the latter is required. (And I'd be interesting in hearing any examples you have to provide other than scot project)
Also begging to differ, that MOST EDM artists already know what you're on about...and wouldn't hope to stand a chance in the professional realm anyway if they didn't. But then it's a case of how well you've practiced your art, and how well you can employ proper form.
I bet a piece with a total, complete lack of form would be interesting.
And yeah, Seemed like a rant rather than an educational post, and rants should definitely be met with goading and trolling. (and I was bored) |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
I understand "form" in English, and I also understand/appreciate form in lifting/running, so I can tell you from that aspect if your form is off you might as well drop out of school/quit working out.
I've also had a music theory class, however I don't remember talking about form at all in it. The problem is when I apply the concept of form to music, my mind draws blanks.
Jive said its the "logic and architecture" of music, so I try to apply that to building. You draw out what you're going for, figure out how much wood you need, the angles of everything, flooring, walls, etc. But I can NOT apply that to music simply due to how much I'm always changing things around.
Thats why the concept of form seems useless. Say hypothetically I work out the architecture of a track, I can NOT be sure that logic is going to work untill I hear it. Maybe its different for more experienced people. But the way I see it is if I plan out the logic, I'm going to wind up changing that logic around 180 degrees during the actual mixing phase.
That chord I planned didn't work, that fx I made from from my bass failed completely, the ENTIRE "logic" to me then seems pointless as it would seem that form in music would always change right up untill before the mastering process.
Or am I wrong?
Maybe its my specific style of working that clouds my ability to understand it, but I don't see the "logic". It seems to me like the concept of making music in your head/on paper, planning it out untill the outro, then putting that logic into a sequencer and finding it didn't work.
Am I still not understanding form?
If not I might as well just leave this thread alone.. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
i hate you. you're ruining my life. |
You don't mean that!
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Spank him, Eddie!!! :p |
As soon as I find a rest area.
Should be up ahead here.
| quote: | Originally posted by theterran
goading and trolling. (and I was bored) |
Oh! I know who started it and you're NOT getting off lightly, either. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by theterran
The part that frustrates me is that I don't see any explicit advice given in the OP... It's simply "Make sure your tracks follow form guys..." and that's about it. And the confusion that ensued only reinforces the point. "Only one person got what I was talking about guise..." Maybe you're point was unclear.
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Read it again. I said alot more than that. |
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| theterran |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Oh! I know who started it and you're NOT getting off lightly, either. |
Just make sure to use a paddle, and use it haaaard. |
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| theterran |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
Read it again. I said alot more than that. |
I am actually trying to be reasonably serious m8.
Yeah there's sarcasm but there's a valid point.
One last time...You've given the premise without a context to view/hear it in. No examples, natta. Just premise.
How might one fragment a melody and employ it in their track effectively etc...?
Examples sir, examples. Do iiiiit. |
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