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The concept of Form (pg. 6)
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| Kenny Rogers |
| as i said earlier a good example is: Prodigy - No Good (Start the Dance) |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Well, I don't mean any of this to sound condescending, but I don't think you can expect people on a trance forum to follow you, especially without examples. I think it's safe to say that, generally speaking, Trance producers have very little in the way of formal musical training and, of those who do, I'd say the vast majority are primarily performers (i.e., play an instrument) that have had little/no formal instruction in composition, or experience with harmonic and structural analyses of other pieces. |
I have no formal musical training, not even with an instrument, and I think about form regularly. Obviously not in the more precise and educated terms that people like you or M4B would, but I do. All it takes is a bit of curiosity about musical history, or a habit of comparing pieces of music and thinking about what they have in common in terms of overall structure rather than just "sound" or mood. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
I think getting a masters degree in music, being a child prodigy at violin and piano, having done studio work with drums , guitar and piano at the age of 16, work professionally in the field having done work for feature films, title theme for a syndicated tv show somehow puts me a little bit above someone that took a few piano lessons. EVeryone says they are classically trained but it means nothing. In fact I would say I was trained in classical music but there was nothing classical about the training. Most of it I learnt my self.
Anyways, I do consider myself a more reliable arbiter and judge of music simply because I know more about it. I know more types of music. I've read more about it. I've created more kinda of music.
Would you argue with someone that has a phd in nuclear physics about nuclear physics ? And before you say science isn't art, ask the top research scientists and they will disagree. When you are at a certain level, science becomes an art-form.
I only bring up this I know more than you douche card when some twat pulls the show me your credentials twat card. I was trying to help people. |
I didn't have you in mind at all in my post. I had in mind the thousands of high calibre orchestra musicians that may know a lot about form but that wouldn't mean they can produce an original evvocative work. |
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| theterran |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
I didn't have you in mind at all in my post. I had in mind the thousands of high calibre orchestra musicians that may know a lot about form but that wouldn't mean they can produce an original evvocative work. |
Hey wtf...I was the twat that pulled the credentials card. although I've lurked here enough to already somewhat know his background...I was in fact, being a twat. (And was fairly inebriated) |
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| Mad for Brad |
| I would say the music they play is somewhat more evocative than the you make |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
I would say the music they play is somewhat more evocative than the you make |
Without doubt. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| anyways I don't understand why you seem to think form is something that somehow belongs to the classical world. Sure those great composers applied the concept of form to create rather intricate well planned music with mind boggling relationships that gave you an insight as to how well the music was crafted but it is still applicable to any form of art. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
anyways I don't understand why you seem to think form is something that somehow belongs to the classical world. |
I did not say form is exclusive to the classical world. I'm saying there are plenty of people out there with muscial knowledge but that does not necessarily mean they can make great productions.
I already agreed form is important - like I said the same is true of garden design. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| and there are more people with no knowledge making tier music. What is your point ? YOu seem to always find an excuse to convince yourself that the knowledge you lack won't help you. Not just here. So many threads about you finding some explanation why you aren't very good. Waste of time mate. Perhaps stop philosophizing and actually work at your craft, Accept that you aren't particularly talented but with some good old fashion elbow grease, you might have some success. Think of lars Ulrich. One of the worst drummers in the professional arena but he somehow managed. |
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| Mise |
| All music (Classical,EDM) is entirely defined by time, once a piece of music is finished being performed, its gone. It can be considered to be the sculpting of time where You can think of it as your three, six, 30 minutes block waiting to get shape to tell a specific story or convey an emotion. You just have to figure out which carving technique will work best, and there is where form comes in. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| performance of music is in time but the actual work can be tangible ie score. or I suppose the project file of a track. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
Accept that you aren't particularly talented but with some good old fashion elbow grease, |
I accepted that a while back - elbow grease and ear muffs all the way.
There was a big American study released recently where the academics argued there is no such thing as talent, only exposure. Now I happen to think there is such a thing as talent - my youngest Brother was born an awesome dancer, I wasn't, but I think elbow grease is nearly as good. |
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