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Rally to Restore Sanity: A Photo Essay (pg. 13)
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| enydo |
| Seriously. You try so hard until it's incredibly apparent you're wrong then it's just TROLLAN EXTREME. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
also lol at kevin for failing horribly at recognizing my obvious troll on him for being a birther. |
You falling back on the "I was just trolling" thing is getting really old, man.
edit: Oh my bad, I see everyone already covered that. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
This thread is awesomely hilarious. Kevin must have missed the part where the crowd started chanting "your sign sucks" over and over when MoveOn tried to unfurl a gigantic political banner that blocked everyone's view in my section.
Signed,
A Rally Attendee |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
This thread is awesomely hilarious. Kevin must have missed the part where the crowd started chanting "your sign sucks" over and over when MoveOn tried to unfurl a gigantic political banner that blocked everyone's view in my section.
Signed,
A Rally Attendee |
I did miss that. But I would have been cheering along with the crowd too had I been there. As an attendee, do you feel like something was accomplished by being at the Stewart rally or by the rally itself being held? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I did miss that. But I would have been cheering along with the crowd too had I been there. As an attendee, do you feel like something was accomplished by being at the Stewart rally or by the rally itself being held? |
By being at the Rally? It was entertaining, which was the main point. The whole thing was designed to be farcical, which is why it's more amusing than anything to see FoxNews and commentators in conservative media on the internet rail against the whole thing. Yes, there were some unfortunate liberal activists circulating amongst the crowd trying to push an agenda - but in actuality, those people were pretty marginalized. They were mostly on the periphery of the rally itself, and were mocked for having actual political signs.
The best signs - and the most well-received, I should add - were those making fun of the idea of political rallies. Irony was the most valued commodity.
As for the Rally itself, did it accomplish anything? No - and I don't think Stewart or Colbert intended it to. I think it was designed as something of political theater, poking fun at how self-serious rallies (yes, including those led by the evangelical Glen Beck himself) have become. The over-arching message, if there was one, was that political discourse in this country has been over-ridden by meaningless slogans and fear-mongering misleading claims about anyone who doesn't partake in a particular view. Hence the whole Sanity v. Fear charade - it was merely hyperbole to demonstrate how ludicrous we've all become.
If you want to trace the history of how Jon Stewart arrived at the decision to organize (if organize is a word that can really be used for how unorganized the whole thing was) a mock rally, this article is a pretty good start:
http://www.theawl.com/2010/11/the-r...-fellow-citizen
From Stewart himself, this was the only purpose of the rally:
| quote: | | This is not a political rally in any way, shape or form. It is a visceral expression of a people fed up with the reflection that they are shown of themselves as a divided people. |
To that extent, I think he's definitely succeeded in showing people how the media portrays us a divided people.
As a sidenote, I'm just wondering if you watched/listened to the rally yourself? Someone asked what your thoughts were on the actual content of Stewart's closing speech, and I'm curious as well. Was there really anything there that's so objectionable? Of the clips of media they played, I thought they did a pretty quality job of including all the MSNBC clips of Olberman, etc. lambasting the Tea Party movement as being the death of American civilization - which is why you'll see equal criticism of the rally on MSNBC and Fox News - if Stewart managed to piss off both of those groups, then yeah, maybe it was successful. I mean - one of the awards he handed out was to a seven-year old girl for having more courage than NPR! |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
You falling back on the "I was just trolling" thing is getting really old, man.
edit: Oh my bad, I see everyone already covered that. |
What doesn't get old, Kevin falling for it over and over and over and over and over and over. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
Here's the speech, fyi:
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
What doesn't get old, Kevin falling for it over and over and over and over and over and over. |
Nou, when you say stupid things, get called out on it, and exposed as an idiot that's not "Kevin falling for it," that's you getting owned. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
The best signs - and the most well-received, I should add - were those making fun of the idea of political rallies. Irony was the most valued commodity.
If you want to trace the history of how Jon Stewart arrived at the decision to organize (if organize is a word that can really be used for how unorganized the whole thing was) a mock rally, this article is a pretty good start:
http://www.theawl.com/2010/11/the-r...-fellow-citizen
As a sidenote, I'm just wondering if you watched/listened to the rally yourself? Someone asked what your thoughts were on the actual content of Stewart's closing speech, and I'm curious as well. Was there really anything there that's so objectionable? Of the clips of media they played, I thought they did a pretty quality job of including all the MSNBC clips of Olberman, etc. lambasting the Tea Party movement as being the death of American civilization - which is why you'll see equal criticism of the rally on MSNBC and Fox News - if Stewart managed to piss off both of those groups, then yeah, maybe it was successful. I mean - one of the awards he handed out was to a seven-year old girl for having more courage than NPR! |
I watched some of it, and I understand the message they were trying to get out, but it seemed like more of a "we're cool and if you don't think so you don't get it" thing. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it was a good time and if I were there I'm sure I would have enjoyed it; I too laughed my ass off at several signs I saw ("I better than Christine O'Donnell & God Hates Figs for example...lol). But looking at the big picture, it was a corporate sponsored event by Viacom designed to rake in millions for them and Comedy Central. Something about going to commerical break saying, "This event sponsored by Reece's Peanut Butter Cups" made the whole thing seem plastic from a tv viewer's standpoint.
Say what you want about Beck's rally, but it wasn't even covered on Fox (while it was underway)... and he didn't have celebrities and political pundits paying for buses and airplane tickets to get people there. The difference was the peoples' reaction against a rapidly expanding social democratic model we see unraveling in Europe vs. a celebrity reaction to those people.
And I'm still at a loss over bringing Cat Stevens/Yousef Islam on stage for the event, considering his repeated calls for killing Salman Rushdie. I noticed how Stewart introduced him as "Joe or his other name, Yousef" but didn't say his last name. A Jewish guy introducing a fatwa supporting Muslim who has donated money to Hamas was just too bizarre man.
As for his closing remarks: I turned off the tv but I read the closing statement later on. Is our nation's biggest problem really pundits screaming at each other? I don't believe so (granted it doesn't help), and I don't believe it makes people irrational fear mongers if they have a deep distrust of an ever expanding government with increasing power, leaving individual states with less power. Honestly his closing statement DID sound good and very reasonable... I just wonder how much of it he truly believes in his own heart because he is not a real bi-partisan.
Money line from his statement:
| quote: | | And sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel isn’t the promised land. Sometimes it’s just New Jersey. |
:stongue:
Edit: Thanks for posting the speech clip... I hadn't seen it live yet. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
He may be liberal personally, but I still think he's all for more reasonable dialogue - after the rally I re-watched the clip from when he went on Crossfire and called Paul Begala a partisan hack and it seems that his message has stayed pretty consistent. He called Rachel Maddow an idealogue the other night on Larry King. It's not all about taking shots at Glen Beck, though you have to admit that Glen Beck leaves himself open to mockery through his over-emotional hyperbole.
Also, just saw this and thought you would approve:
| quote: | Sanity Restored
from *Talking Points Memo*:
by David Kurtz
Keith Olbermann suspends his "Worst Person In The World" segment. |
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ar...ty_restored.php |
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| enydo |
While there were banner adds that popped up randomly during the coverage on Comedy Central, there were no commercial breaks for the entire three hours.
Also, I think (could be wrong) that the event wasn't intended to be broadcast when it was first conceived. They had announced the rally, and then later said Comedy Central was going to be broadcasting it.
I dunno, take that for what it is. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
What doesn't get old, Kevin falling for it over and over and over and over and over and over. |
Nobody sees it that way except you. What do you think that means? |
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