Originally posted by Miss Pie
Kids don't learn how to be idiots on their own, they learn it from their parents. Again, if you have to resort to hitting your kids to teach them a lesson, chances are you're an idiot and you're teaching your child to be an idiot too. Discipline requires patience. Hitting and is an easy way out for people who don't know any better. Hitting is a reaction out of anger/an inability to be patient and work through a problem constructively. Don't try to tell me it's not, lol.
I mean, do you really think it's ok to treat children "cruelly and unusually"?? Is that how you would treat an adult? Children have the same rights as adults, and corporal punishment is abuse of human rights, plain and simple.
Never once did I vouch for her actions, I think she was ridiculously out of line, and showed the whole world how she was a ing terrible parent. Please don't think I was defending her by asking. I would never lay a hand on a child in that fashion (inb4 IGK). 9 times out of 10, a more reasonable punishment such as no dessert or no video games/internet or whatever is a far better solution.
I teach children how to swim on weekends, anywhere from age 3 to 11ish (primarily). When they goof off, smart mouth me, or don't listen, I first correct them and explain the problem in a very clear way. If it continues, I don't allow them to play the game at the end, or I make them sit on the side of the pool while everyone else swims. My boss has told me that it is not my place to "punish" them like that, but my goal is ultimately to teach the children how to swim. My credibility would be lost if I let them walk all over me. If their parents are paying money to me to teach them, they should also be prepared for minor consequences if their child disobeys me or acts up.
Banora
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Originally posted by Miss Pie
Why do you think he was fighting in the first place? Research shows a very strong link between childhood (and adult) aggression problems, "bad behaviour" and corporal punishment. If you hit a child, all they're learning is that aggression is an acceptable way to solve problems.
What about a kid who was hit pretty often during their life and isn't very aggressive at all (never been in a fight, etc etc)? Also not arguing, just curious to know. :)
Silky Johnson
There are always exceptions.
geroin
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Originally posted by Miss Pie
I can send you the work I did on this when I get home, if you really want to see proof.
sure :p
Banora
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Originally posted by Miss Pie
There are always exceptions.
Wonder what makes them like that? I'd also like to read your research when you get home, too, please!
wienerschnitzel
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Originally posted by Miss Pie
Why do you think he was fighting in the first place? Research shows a very strong link between childhood (and adult) aggression problems, "bad behaviour" and corporal punishment. If you hit a child, all they're learning is that aggression is an acceptable way to solve problems.
Discipline requires consistency, explanation, and consequences. A child should always know why they are getting in trouble, and the parent should always follow through with the punishment. Time outs and taking away privileges are effective if used properly.
The major problem with discipline is that parents often don't follow through. When you yell at kids and hit them/punish them physically it affects their self esteem and ability to deal with problems in the future. But if you use explanation and non-physical consequences to discipline a child, they learn what it means to be accountable and how to solve problems constructively. How to control their anger, etc.
Kids don't learn how to be idiots on their own, they learn it from their parents. Again, if you have to resort to hitting your kids to teach them a lesson, chances are you're an idiot and you're teaching your child to be an idiot too. Discipline requires patience. Hitting and is an easy way out for people who don't know any better. Hitting is a reaction out of anger/an inability to be patient and work through a problem constructively. Don't try to tell me it's not, lol.
I mean, do you really think it's ok to treat children "cruelly and unusually"?? Is that how you would treat an adult? Children have the same rights as adults, and corporal punishment is abuse of human rights, plain and simple.
Funny Gera, we showed that video in class when presented our research proposal about corporal punishment. :p
this! and i see what you're saying about looking towards your peers geroin, but if you're parents do a proper job of raising you, you should have enough self-confidence and be smart enough to make better decisions... i'm sure many will disagree, and there is always the exception.. but in my experience this is what i've found.
Lira
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Originally posted by geroin
Spank them all you want, he did it because he's a true Aussie. Why do you think Fledz is so abrasive and Stu is always taking pictures of birds!?
They're sublimating the Aussie party animal trapped inside their souls!
Meat187
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Originally posted by Lira
Spank them all you want, he did it because he's a true Aussie. Why do you think Fledz is so abrasive and Stu is always taking pictures of birds!?
They're sublimating the Aussie party animal trapped inside their souls!
Lira
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Originally posted by Meat187
Meat187
You can stare at my shades all you want, loser.
:toocool:
Now excuse me, I have a Para Para Mix to make...
Lira
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Originally posted by Meat187
Now excuse me, I have a Para Para Mix to make...
Hahaha, yes!
Please let me know when you upload it!
Silky Johnson
The belief that corporal punishment is effective is a culturally ingrained idea. People think "my parents smacked me and I turned out fine!" and believe that makes CP acceptable, but it isn't - and you'd be hard pressed to find research that supports the notion.
One of the big issues with CP is that the overwhelming majority of people who use it to discipline their kids are poor and uneducated (cough*single parent families but mothers especially*cough). The reason for this is because they have more steessors and less support, thereby compounding their levels of frustation and anger. So where a more educated person with better support networks might have the time and knowledge to sit down and talk it through healthily with their child, a less educated person with less support will just get pissed and frustrated and lash out.
A fundamental principle of discipline is that you never do it from a place of anger. Getting pissed at your kid cause they ed up isn't a reflection of your kid's behaviour, it's a reflection of your inability to deal with problems. Kids need guidance, and if you don't think they learn much of how to behave in the world from the way they're disciplined, you'd be fooling yourself.
Again, you wouldn't talk to/treat an adult that way to solve problems, why is it ok to treat children that way??
