Originally posted by Arbiter
Exactly. I can think of a few problems that would solve.
It's Tae Kwon Do, isn't it?
A-ha! I knew you it, you're half Korean!
Arbiter
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Originally posted by Lira
It's Tae Kwon Do, isn't it?
A-ha! I knew you were half Korean!
Well, as long as I'm not half Corean...
Theresa
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Originally posted by Esiotrat
My parents (especially my mom) beat me until I was in my twenties
My mom hit me when I was 16, and I became so enraged I just about walloped her in the face. I told her, very seriously, if she ever hit me again, she would regret it and to never lay a hand on me again. She never did... I think she knew I would be good on my word. I'm amazed you let it go on for as long as you did.
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Originally posted by EgosXII
I don't really think negative enforcement is that bad of an idea on kids: At least to an extent.
the airy fairy parenting of today is as silly as the psychotic violence and neglect that used to happen. As everyone said, kids aren't capable of rationalising their behaviour in some cases... i watched a tiny bit of the video, and he knew he did something wrong, and then lied about it, do you let it go there?
kids learn their behaviour from the parents (obivously)- this kid knew he was bad, and deserved to be repremanded (in the parents eye anyway), they understand physical denouncements on every level, is it really that bad? It works on animals.
I guess its a case of context, but i really don't think physical punishment is a bad idea for kids at all times. I think the super-liberal parents have raised the bunch of ****s who are now ruining the cities who think they're invincible, omnipotent super-men, when they're really s who never got corrected when they were bad as kids, and so have no concept of right and wrong.
coming from someone without much experience with kids (no doubt obviously :p )
Physical punishment is never needed. It does not teach your child the proper lessons.
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Originally posted by Miss Pie
Why do you think he was fighting in the first place? Research shows a very strong link between childhood (and adult) aggression problems, "bad behaviour" and corporal punishment. If you hit a child, all they're learning is that aggression is an acceptable way to solve problems.
Discipline requires consistency, explanation, and consequences. A child should always know why they are getting in trouble, and the parent should always follow through with the punishment. Time outs and taking away privileges are effective if used properly.
The major problem with discipline is that parents often don't follow through. When you yell at kids and hit them/punish them physically it affects their self esteem and ability to deal with problems in the future. But if you use explanation and non-physical consequences to discipline a child, they learn what it means to be accountable and how to solve problems constructively. How to control their anger, etc.
Kids don't learn how to be idiots on their own, they learn it from their parents. Again, if you have to resort to hitting your kids to teach them a lesson, chances are you're an idiot and you're teaching your child to be an idiot too. Discipline requires patience. Hitting and is an easy way out for people who don't know any better. Hitting is a reaction out of anger/an inability to be patient and work through a problem constructively. Don't try to tell me it's not, lol.
I mean, do you really think it's ok to treat children "cruelly and unusually"?? Is that how you would treat an adult? Children have the same rights as adults, and corporal punishment is abuse of human rights, plain and simple.
Funny Gera, we showed that video in class when presented our research proposal about corporal punishment. :p
Exactly.
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Originally posted by geroin
I agree with most but disagree with this, most kids (older) look at their peers, not parents and try to be like them, especially their best friends, if their friends are a bad influence and are idiots then your kid will act like that as well, just like shown in the video.
Kids have to know their place and what is right and what is wrong, just by taking away privileges it won't teach a kid a proper lesson imo.
Older kids would not be poorly behaved if they had gotten proper discipline as children. The lessons/respect/understanding of what is right and wrong carries through into adulthood and as such, the individual is far more likely to make sound decisions and surround themselves with friends who do not conflict with those values. However, if your teenager is still causing problems, not only are there probably other issues involved, but you can still use the same tactics you would with younger children. Take away their cell phone, disconnect the internet, disconnect the cable, etc. etc. It's all about consistency and clarity.
Giving the child clear reasons why they are in trouble, and being consistent with punishment (always following through), the child eventually learns that they have to do as they are told and they understand why. There are loads of videos from Supernanny showing this technique, and it always works. You have to fight for it at the beginning (these are children who have never been properly disciplined), but once it starts working, it's an excellent deterrent. They know from consistency that if they get their "first warning", what is coming next and they usually cut whatever it is out. It's classical conditioning.
Lira
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Originally posted by Arbiter
Well, as long as I'm not half Corean...
Don't worry, miss Park, you're 100% Corean in our hearts
igottaknow
When I was younger I got spanked, the belt, and soap in the mouth (not in the particular order though). The soap was for saying a word I learned in school, belt/spank was for being belligerent and disrespecting my parents.
I'm not usually a fan of physical punishment but at a younger age when your reasoning and maturity isn't high sometimes a good whack gets through to you. But I can see as a parent you have to watch out because you could over use it and become reliant on it because it gets results. Used sparingly its useful as a threat, like if you cross a line, you have something waiting in reserve.
Silky Johnson
And that's the reason IGK molests kids.
igottaknow
maybe if your parents used the belt on you, you'd be better behaved now.
Silky Johnson
Wow, sick burn bro.
Chimney
An educational video from our middle eastern friends:
EgosXII
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Originally posted by Miss Pie
Why do you think he was fighting in the first place? Research shows a very strong link between childhood (and adult) aggression problems, "bad behaviour" and corporal punishment. If you hit a child, all they're learning is that aggression is an acceptable way to solve problems.
Discipline requires consistency, explanation, and consequences. A child should always know why they are getting in trouble, and the parent should always follow through with the punishment. Time outs and taking away privileges are effective if used properly.
The major problem with discipline is that parents often don't follow through. When you yell at kids and hit them/punish them physically it affects their self esteem and ability to deal with problems in the future. But if you use explanation and non-physical consequences to discipline a child, they learn what it means to be accountable and how to solve problems constructively. How to control their anger, etc.
Kids don't learn how to be idiots on their own, they learn it from their parents. Again, if you have to resort to hitting your kids to teach them a lesson, chances are you're an idiot and you're teaching your child to be an idiot too. Discipline requires patience. Hitting and is an easy way out for people who don't know any better. Hitting is a reaction out of anger/an inability to be patient and work through a problem constructively. Don't try to tell me it's not, lol.
I mean, do you really think it's ok to treat children "cruelly and unusually"?? Is that how you would treat an adult? Children have the same rights as adults, and corporal punishment is abuse of human rights, plain and simple.
Funny Gera, we showed that video in class when presented our research proposal about corporal punishment. :p
so are guilt trips less psychologically destructive to kids than minimal physical pain?
also note that the woman clearly outlined everything the kid did wrong, and he admitted to doing the things, AND to lying about them to cover them up...
how can you not hate the spoiled, tard kids who never got punished, or got 'forgiven' as soon as they do anything wrong jenny? i am suprised :p
also: Kids are the same as adults, or they're not: They can't be less capable of understanding, while simultaneously having exactly the same rights.. are they aware of their behaviour, and good and bad or aren't they?
anyway i dont think the woman is right, but i don't see how corporal punishment is so bad: All punishment is going to have a negative effect, thats the entire point of it. I personally think that the wits who are around these days with absolutely no respect and no sense of social correctness are a product of over-liberal parenting. imo you can definitely SEE how the lack of any physical punishment has left them, And i absolutely hate those kids/young adults.. :p
Silky Johnson
Who said anything about guilt trips? Where did you get that from?
I clearly stated that alternate discipline, not NO discipline, is better than corporal pinishment.
EgosXII
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Originally posted by Miss Pie
Who said anything about guilt trips? Where did you get that from?
I clearly stated that alternate discipline, not NO discipline, is better than corporal pinishment.
removing posessions, and putting them in 'time out' etc? isn't that meant to make them feel bad?
