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| quote: | Originally posted by Chimney
The last post was uncalled for. I apologize.
What I mean was that I've met several Dutch people that said there are problems with immigrants behaving badly. I'm not saying it's as bad as in Sweden, since after all...the Swedish government consists of the biggest jackasses in the history of the universe, ever since the first atom was made, but there have been problems with those kind of people in Holland as well.
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Okay.
I don't think it's a lot worse in Holland than in other countries. But if 9 of 10 occasions people with the same country of origin are involved this will get attention.
It's just like hooligans, a small group of people giving the others in a bad reputation too.
In their country of origin their behavior however would not be accepted, so maybe we just are too weak with punishment.
And that's something most Dutch agree to, which is why Wilders is getting popular, also outside our country.
It probably also has to do in how far the people are willing to adapt to the country they now see as their new home. E.g. Polish people, who came to Holland for mining adapted perfectly. But that they don't look that foreign and have the same religion maybe also makes it easier. Just how I look at it. I agree what happens in Sweden is unbelievable. |
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| Alex23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
because you said that science and religion both have outrageous and impossible to prove claims, thus confirming that you know all about science in general, the scientific method or what it takes for something to to be accepted as valid in the community, because if you did, you would never make such an ignorant statement. |
I wasn't saying that science is an impossible to prove claim. I was saying that proving God doesn't exist is an impossible to prove claim which is what Dawkins attempts to do in his debates. |
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| Redd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex23
I wasn't saying that science is an impossible to prove claim. I was saying that proving God doesn't exist is an impossible to prove claim which is what Dawkins attempts to do in his debates. |
no he doesn't, he's fully aware it can't be proven |
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| Alex23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
no he's not |
Great argument. |
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| Redd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex23
Great argument. |
realized I had to edit ;) |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex23
I wasn't saying that science is an impossible to prove claim. I was saying that proving God doesn't exist is an impossible to prove claim which is what Dawkins attempts to do in his debates. |
Actually, Dawkins himself is aware that you can't prove the non-existence of something. That's when atheists usually summon Russell's Teapot. |
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| Alex23 |
| Silly atheists. Trix are for kids! :gsmile: |
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| Redd |
Russell's Teapot is good. Religion is not :gsmile:
edit: also; thread successfully derailed, way to bring in dawkins and the crew Lira! |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex23
Silly atheists. Trix are for kids! :gsmile: |
Tricks? What are you talking about, you really can't prove something doesn't exist :conf:
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
thread successfully derailed, way to bring in dawkins and the crew Lira! |
Don't mention it :) |
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| Alex23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Tricks? What are you talking about, you really can't prove something doesn't exist :conf:
Don't mention it :) |
Oh Lira, you need to watch more Amerian TV. Trix is a cereal. |
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| Znack |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
He is rather radical, but the sources of his views (such as experience) are infinitely more reliable than revelation/faith/unfounded creativity. In this sense, he's way more trustworthy in his views than any theologian. Ever. However, he should keep in mind that before dismissing religion entirely, he may end up throwing the baby out with the bath water... |
There is a baby there. Although, if you look closely, it's a doll. An old doll. One leg has fallen off, and so has an eye. In their place are bits of rusty wire that will prick you if you try and pick it up. Having lain at the bottom of the bath for many years, it's covered in foul slime, but the speech gadget still works. Pull the cord, and a faint voice is heard: "cover your women". Pull again: "stone the poofs". |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| Europe, you're too nice. |
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