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Thinking of Upgrading my Studio Monitors (pg. 2)
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| theterran |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
| quote: | | The amount of poorly mixed music is really more of a direct reflection of lower cost equipment combined with a greater number of labels willing to release it. There is virtually no cost to release a track these days, so most labels are happy to release almost anything, as the financial penalties for failure are almost non-existent. |
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Yeah, I've seen the many rants on this too. But I still blame it on the people who pay money for the garbage music...This is also where I get my conceited notion of "Professional" being someone who is well known for making quality music, and amateur or "at-home-hobbyist" (since most production is done at home nowadays) for those of us aspiring towards that spotlight.
| quote: | | Right, that that point is valid to a certain extent. But be careful to not believe that the inverse it also true. Sometimes expensive IS better, you just have to know the reasons why. WHY is it more expensive? |
Yeah, that's what/why I was inquiring. I'm still unsure on why you consider the Yamaha's good and the Focal's great. However, I imagine it's probably similar to the difference between monitoring on logitech hi-fi and going to an actual monitor.
| quote: | | See, I didn't make a leap of faith. I used a combination of personal experience, trusted reviews and advice from people who know. |
Best way to go about it.
| quote: | | At a certain level, there are just some brands and levels of quality that are implied. I don't need someone to tell me that BMW and Mercedes are of higher quality than Honda or Toyata. Its just common knowledge. |
Having worked for an autoparts dealer and having some mech-engi friends working for bmw and yota...I'd be careful with assumptions like that :P (lexus = toyota > BMW anyway) |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nick Cenik
I really appreciate the insights gentlemen! Thank you for taking the time to go into such detail. And, yes, as Eric J suggests I am trying to become as talented and successful as possible with my music 'career': producing and gigging for a living is my dream, although admittedly I have a long way to go.
Eric, I would LOVE to get some equipment like you suggested but my current finances simply do not allow for it :(
I have attached a few pics of my (messy!) bedroom studio. Any advice on setting up bass traps would be greatly appreciated!
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Looks like a very small room - and that means plenty of peaks and nulls in the bass response.
Play a track with a nice heavy kick and slowly move around the room listening to the bass, you'll probably find its almost non-existant at some points, and if one of those points (nulls) is at your monitoring position it can be tricky - bigger cones or a sub will only make it worse
If you are gonna basstrap it just buy as many basstraps as you can afford, you could never have enough traps in a room that size, you would be better off changing to a bigger room really... |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
Looks like a very small room - and that means plenty of peaks and nulls in the bass response.
Play a track with a nice heavy kick and slowly move around the room listening to the bass, you'll probably find its almost non-existant at some points, and if one of those points (nulls) is at your monitoring position it can be tricky - bigger cones or a sub will only make it worse |
This.
Subs are incredibly hard to set up well in any studio and small rooms are the worst. I really wouldn't bother with a sub.
You're much better off just going for a pair of monitors with 7 or 8 inch cones which will give you reasonable low frequency accuracy. If you really want precision then it might also be worth investing in a graphic equaliser to tune the bass response to your room. Some speakers come with acoustic space control switches on them which can perform this function to a basic level: they essentially apply fixed frequency curves to the low frequencies to account for your speakers being close to a wall and/or corners of the room.
I know some people who actually opted to stick to 6 inch cones, simply because they found 7 or 8 inches too boomy and hard to control the bass... if they can be too hard to control, think about how hard a sub would be to control! |
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| Raphie |
2 words: Room akoustiks
download room EQ wizard and start measuring, subwoofer is of aboslutely no use in this room. standing waves is your issue.
also always face the shortest wall while producing, oyu're now facing the longest. NO WAY you can hear bass properly in your room |
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| ken_lee |
Your room is WAY too small for HS80, or any other 8" monitor! you need small nearfields to avoid basstrouble, trust me i know...
JBL LSR4325, Genelecs 8020/30, Focal CMS40/50, Dynaudio BM5 etc. Nothing bigger than 5" will work in there, and forget about subs!
edit: the JBLs are called LSR 4326P now btw. with some cool room correction, id try them. They are 6,5" though so they actually might be too big too. I still think Genelecs are your best bet in that small room. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nick Cenik
The Yamaha HS80ms and the corresponding subwoofer are definitely one of the pairings that has come to mind. Apologies, but what does bass trapping the room mean?
Cheers! |
If you're upgrading from TR8s (which I've heard and loved) then you'd be looking at least around teh genelec/dunaudio range. Yamaha's would probably be a step down IMO, although I haven't heard the HS80s.
Ask yourself whether you really need a sub, because I'd be more inclined to go for a nice little three way design like the focals or a pair of klein and hummels. Hellish expensive, but at least its a proper upgrade. If you can't do that, you can get a passive crossover for your sub if you have to. But consider that in a room that size, a sub isn't really an option without a load of bass traps AFAIK. I'm no acoustics expert though. |
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| Raphie |
| His speaker are fine in his room, his issues are room issues, not speaker issues. He can invest even in Quested Inwalls, but the results will still be e, because the roomsize is e. it's simple physiscs man. |
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| Nick Cenik |
Wow, lots of helpful information - thanks guys!!
Okay:
1. Moving to a different room is not, at this time, possible.
2. Re: having my setup along the longest wall in my room: would it be preferable for me to move the gear alongside the short, back wall with the window seen here?
Doing so would actually give me a lot more room and allow me to position my monitors a little more evenly. I've read that producing against a window isn't a great idea, but maybe in this case it'd be preferable to keeping my setup where it is now.
3. Alright, a sub is a bad idea - got it! This frees up about $500 more for monitors.
4. So, it looks like I should be considering models such as Adam A7X and Genelec 8030a ... What about the KRK VXT6s or VXT8s? |
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| ken_lee |
dont forget to consider dynaudio and jbl too.
oh and btw the cheap series of ADAM A3,5,7X suck :D |
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by ken_lee
dont forget to consider dynaudio and jbl too.
oh and btw the cheap series of ADAM A3,5,7X suck :D |
These? Link |
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| ken_lee |
| yes theyll make your ears bleed, stay away :D |
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| Raphie |
indeed VERY harsh...
my 2 cents, swap setup to short wall
Make a diffusor which you hang/ or put in front of your window when you produce
buy some rockwool and make basstraps
FORGET (really forget for now) investing in other monitors, they will not solve your problems or give you any better results before you optimize your room, if i should give a change impact weighting?!?
97% ROOM <> 3% Monitor change |
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