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So Beatport stopped labeling thier tracks? (pg. 10)
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| sg_57 |
Wow! that was nice!
As an aside, it's always nice to find some validation from someone whose products you admire. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by sg_57
Sorry, was AFK.
I do not deny one bit all of the blind test results, and actually personally agree with the findings. But they were all without exception performed in small rooms.
What I am trying to articulate is that no one has bothered to do the same in very large-scale installations. There, it is truly my belief that those difference will be much easier to pick out.
They are actually not in the domain of frequency response and aliasing artifacts. Rather in the very fabric (that word again) of the music, what glues the sounds together. The dynamics, the punch, clarity of separation, perception of transients between instruments and all that. Especially the bass.
Like the analogy of someone who takes a beautiful jpeg from a web site and is all surprised when it looks like Minecraft once blown up to the size of billboard advertising like those on the side of the LIE.
Run those A/B tests again in a proper auditorium that's at least 75' x 150' with a real large sound system and proper acoustics so the reflections don't muddy everything up.
Even if empirically, I have. Not scientifically, granted. That's my contribution to the convo. |
Stretching a .jpg is a completely irrelevant analogy. That is COMPLETELY different. Scaling a raster image causes it to pixelate, yes, because it's not vector, but that doesn't apply to music.
When you crank up audio to a loud volume it pretty much completely masks imperfections. What clubs do you go to where they play the music at a "casual listening level?" Never mind a listening level even remotely quiet enough for you to take an analytical and objective approach to listening. Playing the audio in a larger room isn't going to make imperfections more obvious, thanks to reverb, people talking and shouting and motion and all the other white noise you tune out it masks imperfections. You really think that a giant club system would make imperfections more obvious than a pair of studio monitors? |
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| basilisk |
| I've always doubled-back on the argument that I might not hear a difference but I can't be sure that no one in the audience wouldn't notice the difference between lossy and lossless media... and it's not like I'm short on hard drive space or anything. |
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| bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bierheld
And the qualities that make it interesting for DJ´s couldn´t possibly be things ´normal´ costumers would like as well? I'm not a DJ in the professional sense but I still like their big catalogue and excellent service. Why not market that as well?
Oh yeah, DJ people find sharing their services with normal listeners (plebs) to be a personal offence to their excellence. Forgot about that. |
lol it has nothing to do with that! You're arguing against a company that specializes in downloads for DJs. They stress that over and over and over and over. Would you go to a watch repair store and ask why they don't repair TVs and radios?
If you think there's a niche for someone in your situation, you should look into starting your own download service. Not a jab at you, I'm serious...it could do well :) |
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| sg_57 |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Seandroid You really think that a giant club system would make imperfections more obvious than a pair of studio monitors? |
I wouldn't THINK it, because in my own experience running such tests, I have HEARD it. Then again, maybe I was just merely thinking that I did. No, it wasn't a double-blind test. And it was without people around.
Glad to hear Funktion One's owner telling the same tale. LOL |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid
Stretching a .jpg is a completely irrelevant analogy. That is COMPLETELY different. Scaling a raster image causes it to pixelate, yes, because it's not vector, but that doesn't apply to music.
When you crank up audio to a loud volume it pretty much completely masks imperfections. What clubs do you go to where they play the music at a "casual listening level?" Never mind a listening level even remotely quiet enough for you to take an analytical and objective approach to listening. Playing the audio in a larger room isn't going to make imperfections more obvious, thanks to reverb, people talking and shouting and motion and all the other white noise you tune out it masks imperfections. You really think that a giant club system would make imperfections more obvious than a pair of studio monitors? |
Actually, aliasing applies to audio, too, and can make it sound horrible. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Actually, aliasing applies to audio, too, and can make it sound horrible. |
In what fashion? How is playing the same audio file in a large room going to sound worse than through headphones? |
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| LAdazeNYnights |
wow this guy really knows his . my question tho - when he's ranting about mp3s and he says "most of the sound systems are so bad that you can't even tell the difference. well you can on ours" what is he talking about? the difference between mp3s and what? vinyl? |
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| Adam420 |
| yes, or .wav files or CDs |
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| LAdazeNYnights |
| quote: | Originally posted by bas
lol it has nothing to do with that! You're arguing against a company that specializes in downloads for DJs. They stress that over and over and over and over. Would you go to a watch repair store and ask why they don't repair TVs and radios?
If you think there's a niche for someone in your situation, you should look into starting your own download service. Not a jab at you, I'm serious...it could do well :) |
i agree with bas here. i think you're missing the point when the beatport guy talks about "being for djs". he doesn't mean to say "our store is for the elite.." but rather "we have no intention of being overrun by major corporate interests. rather our store is tailored to those who are always trying to find that needle in a hay stack. our crates are deep as so you djs [or those of you who love finding good music and maybe even enjoy spreading that to other people] can feel at home here." it's not elitist, per se. it seems as though you'd rather see him say "beatport is a store for people with superior music tastes." wouldn't that be worse? he's trying to convey that, yes it's an electronic music store, but it's more than that. that's all. |
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| LAdazeNYnights |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
yes, or .wav files or CDs |
ok so forgive my ignorance here - is the data written to a cd the same as what's on vinyl? well, more importantly, is the data on a cd exactly the same as a .wav file? |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid
In what fashion? How is playing the same audio file in a large room going to sound worse than through headphones? |
I stopped downloading 128kbps giveaway mixes people were giving away because it sounds like on my head-phones. I'd be pissed if I went to a club and heard it.
When I review stuff in Music Producer's Promo, if the person makes the download available, I'll try and listen to that - or at least go to the sound-cloud page - so I can hear better quality than what's on offer through 128kbps play-back through the widget. I convert my own files from 96khz-24 bit .wav files into 320kbps because it offers a better spectrum than 44khz-16 bit. |
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