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| Ted Promo |
| I'm pretty ing pissed at the Isle of Man. |
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| gmilf |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Defensive only troops? So you're suggesting they should have stationed troops around the country and just waited to be attacked? Don't you think if the US was funding schools and/or infrastructure, that the Taliban would have attacked that? What you're describing sounds an awful lot like what's happening right now. Much less troops, check. Higher caliber troops, check. The US military isn't occupying Afghanistan to provide aid to its people. Their aid to the people was the removal of the Taliban regime. You're making some decent points, but I think you're misunderstanding the role that the US military is playing in Afghanistan as they are now. |
I'm disagreeing with what role they should play. They simply should not be the ones in charge of anything. They are muscle, they need education and oppurtunity to be the driving force of the restructure. By doing this the people who are currently siding with the taliban will decrease dramatically and the taliban cannot easily exist within a world that respects education. They will be like the westboro baptist church or the KKK in America within a decade. I am just arguing that education is a lot more powerful than any force could be. Afghanistan used to be the and it could easily be so again. But, with a literacy rate of under 20% there is no way in hell that the culture can ever reemerge. And, that is the quickest path to removing the threat. |
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| srussell0018 |
| Education is not more powerful than AK-47s and bombs. I think you're idealizing the role that education would play in the reforming of the Afghani government. Without weapons or a centralized military, it doesn't matter how smart or how literate the average Afghani citizen is. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by gmilf
However, I am curious if you think that the reason the US attacked in 2001 is as relevant as it is today, since a lot of the same people are still around and kicking that were a part of the organization back then? Or, is the reason we went over finished and we are working on another objective now? |
I think killing Islamic extremists is a good thing no matter where they are. Whether occupying an entire country is a reasonable and cost-effective method of doing so however, I have my doubts. However, what is pretty clear is the US has an obligation to the country they’ve invaded not to disappear into the night while civil war engulfs the country and the govt is toppled. Now, of course this might actually be an impossible task, obviously im not on the ground and in a position to judge whether it is or not. if it is, then I don’t really see the point in staying in the country, though the thought of the Taliban wresting control again is certainly something to be concerned about, if not for ourselves, for the afghani women at least. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Education is not more powerful than AK-47s and bombs. I think you're idealizing the role that education would play in the reforming of the Afghani government. Without weapons or a centralized military, it doesn't matter how smart or how literate the average Afghani citizen is. |
Eh, I do think it's important to get rid of the Taliban first and then educate, but your second statement isn't entirely correct. Education can be extremely powerful. |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
I don’t have an answer to that. I guess as long as the afghani government wants them there. All I was stating though is I think an invasion was an acceptable response to the 2001 attacks. |
The Afghan government is a puppet regime. Of course they want the Americans to stay. If America leaves, the Afghan government will crumble as fast as you can say "Adios". |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Eh, I do think it's important to get rid of the Taliban first and then educate, but your second statement isn't entirely correct. Education can be extremely powerful. |
Education is worthless if you can't use it. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Eh, I do think it's important to get rid of the Taliban first and then educate, but your second statement isn't entirely correct. Education can be extremely powerful. |
Extremists aren't going to be "educated" out of their ideas, and as long as they have the weapons, they will have the power. Sure, education is great, but if they're not able to defend themselves it would just be the Taliban killing better educated people, rather than them oppressing less educated people. A stable government will never be able to remain stable if their opposition is better armed and more willing to fight for their ideals. |
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| Lews |
| I never said education enough is enough to change a country, especially when the government (like the Taliban) is willing to kill lots of people. However, it's not worthless by any means. Often educated citizens are the ones who will start to rebel and who will be responsible for people getting money which buys guns and which is the ultimate key to changing anything ;) |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
The Afghan government is a puppet regime. Of course they want the Americans to stay. If America leaves, the Afghan government will crumble as fast as you can say "Adios". |
There you go then, 50 years it is! |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Often educated citizens are the ones who will start to rebel and who will be responsible for people getting money which buys guns and which is the ultimate key to changing anything ;) |
Educated citizens lol. |
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