Originally posted by jchung52
I am still waiting for some documents as to how he will pay for the necessary upgrade of Ontario's power grid and also how he will pay for more nuclear power.
ever hear of a thing called, the gravy train?
Nrg2Nfinit
tim hudak govt.
not to mention cutting on healthcare.
might as well bring back preston manning.. no?
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by infinity HiGH
The only hope this province has is the Conservative party. The Liberals are just gonna bury the province into an even bigger hole.
What hole?
Harper's ideas are to cut social spending on things that matter (such as healthcare, social programs and aid to those in need and implement harsher penalties on criminals instead of using methods that actually work such as rehab etc.
anyways to clear some misconception, lets see who has the good old runtime in debt for a political party:
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not once did the conservative government bring us back to surplus.
feelgood
I think those graphs are entirely arbitrary and irrelevant unless you take into account the economy/stock market during that period.
As you've seen in the past decade, recessions have huge influence in the amount of government spending (subsidies, bailouts...). Combined with the decreased tax revenue, it makes sense.
Do a quick review of any of the major North American indexes and you'll see what i mean.
feelgood
On a separate note, the more and more i hear these politicians, the more and more i realize that the system needs and overhaul.
Listening to each party leader spit out cliches and duck interviewer questions is embarrassing.
IVe heard radio interviews with both McGuinty and Hudak, both sound like idiots.
They say that the 'academic' persona doesnt do well in politics. Thats a shame. It means we're limited to the equivalent of used car salesmen for party leaders.
Spam
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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
What hole?
Harper's ideas are to cut social spending on things that matter (such as healthcare, social programs and aid to those in need and implement harsher penalties on criminals instead of using methods that actually work such as rehab etc.
I'm not aware of these healthcare cuts that you speak of. When were they proposed?
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by feelgood
I think those graphs are entirely arbitrary and irrelevant unless you take into account the economy/stock market during that period.
As you've seen in the past decade, recessions have huge influence in the amount of government spending (subsidies, bailouts...). Combined with the decreased tax revenue, it makes sense.
Do a quick review of any of the major North American indexes and you'll see what i mean.
the point of the graphs was simply to show that the liberals didn't put us in "any hole"
the canadian economy is fine because of our banking structure. Keep in mind that canada was built on a primarily liberal govt. and was able to sustain the recession even with the current amount of social services we offer today.
with regards to heatlhcare cuts:
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Hudak would fire hundreds to fund health care, tax cuts
Richard J. Brennan and Rob Ferguson Queen’s Park Bureau
A Progressive Conservative government would fire hundreds of civil servants to find the cash for tax cuts and health care, party leader Tim Hudak says.
“My goal is to close down those agencies,” he said Wednesday referring to the 14 Local Health Integration Networks (LHINs) and Ontario Power Authority, which together employ about 625 people.
Hudak has described both as needless bureaucracies that contribute little to either health care or planning Ontario’s long-term electricity needs.
With a provincial election approaching on Oct. 6, the Tory leader is under growing pressure to explain how he plans to finance his campaign promises, including billions of dollars to cut the HST on electricity and home heating fuel, and an injection of $6 billion into health care.
“We are going to spend less money than the Liberals,” said Hudak, who again refused to be specific but said he would also review the province’s more than 600 agencies, boards and commissions to weed out unnecessary ones.
Killing LHINs would save just $70 million a year and the OPA $81 million, in a year when Ontario is running a budget deficit of $16.7 billion.
Premier Dalton McGuinty went after the Tory promises, which he says simply don’t add up, raising the spectre of other cuts.
“They say they have both $6 billion for health care and $6 billion for their electricity program. Well, somebody at some point in time is going to have to put a question to him: Where are you going to get that money?” McGuinty said at a seniors’ centre in North York.
“We’ll keep track of the size of the hole that’s growing in the proposed budget of Mr. Hudak so that Ontarians better understand what is at risk.”
Hudak’s handful of promises so far may sound innocuous, but Ontarians learned when he served under former Conservative premier Mike Harris that the party isn’t afraid to slash and burn public services, McGuinty added.
“I prefer to look at their record when it comes to these kinds of things. I know what they say, but I know what they’ve done,” McGuinty told reporters, noting Harris’s moves to close hospitals and fire nurses.
“We should wait for the full (Conservative) platform to come out before we begin to surmise and speculate about the big picture.”
Hudak has another platform announcement slated for Thursday as the party heads into a weekend convention. More policies are to be revealed as hundreds of party activists gather for training sessions aimed at the fall campaign.
The Conservatives have been gunning for McGuinty as a poor guardian of the public purse over the deficit as well as spending scandals like that at eHealth Ontario. But the Liberals note their plan to cut the public service by 5 per cent, or 3,400 people, by next year.
McGuinty said he hopes other agencies, boards and commissions — now under Hudak’s microscope — learn a “lesson” from eHealth, which last week was forced to scrap plans to give out merit raises and bonuses to the majority of its employees.
Hudak appeared at his news conference Wednesday with potential candidate Simon Nyilassy, a businessman who hopes to win the Conservative nomination in Etobicoke-Lakeshore, taking on Liberal cabinet minister Laurel Broten. Conservative insiders are touting Nyilassy as a potential cabinet minister in the riding, which switched to the Conservatives in the May 2 federal election.
Meanwhile, as first revealed by the Star, the Liberals said well-known Jewish human rights activist Bernie Farber will be their candidate in Thornhill against Conservative MPP Peter Shurman, a former talk-radio host.
Lets cut heatlhcare jobs and spend it on F22's and ankle bracelets LOL
anyways enough of me being facetious here. But the LHINs are a system based to create efficiency in the healthcare system. Millions of dollars was already spent to initialize them, to cut them now would be a wasted investment.
Spam
Ok, but you said that Harper's ideas included Healthcare cuts... I was asking about those, I haven't heard of those.
The article you have shared also doesn't mention healthcare cuts. He's firing workers in a bureaucracy he claims doesn't work. It was started to improve efficiencies, is it actually working? If it's not, then we should shut it down and stop wasting money on it. But you make a strong point about firing workers to fund his other plans (ankle bracelets, foolish tax cuts), although I see nothing about actually cutting healthcare funding. I think you should stop exaggerating and deal with the actual facts.
That said, Hudak is a joke, and I'll probably be spoiling my ballot, if I bother to show up to vote at all.
Nrg2Nfinit
sorry i meant hudak.
VDub
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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
spend it on F22's
F-35, moron...
F-22's would be sick though....
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by VDub
F-35, moron...
F-22's would be sick though....
yes that's right it's a 15 or so million or so discount. from 150 to 135.
Thats 2 years of LHIN funding which would create more efficient healthcare for each unit, not to mention there would be more indirect costs such as training, pilot salary ETC ETC.
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by Spam
Ok, but you said that Harper's ideas included Healthcare cuts... I was asking about those, I haven't heard of those.
The article you have shared also doesn't mention healthcare cuts. He's firing workers in a bureaucracy he claims doesn't work. It was started to improve efficiencies, is it actually working? If it's not, then we should shut it down and stop wasting money on it. But you make a strong point about firing workers to fund his other plans (ankle bracelets, foolish tax cuts), although I see nothing about actually cutting healthcare funding. I think you should stop exaggerating and deal with the actual facts.
That said, Hudak is a joke, and I'll probably be spoiling my ballot, if I bother to show up to vote at all.
I consider cutting LHIN as cutting healthcare as LHIN is an organization meant to create healthcare efficiencies. Delegating healthcare funds to hospitals, reducing wait times ETC.
