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| prolikewhoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
You can't. We live in a community and give the courts and armed police forces the right to dispense our laws. Somebody has to do it.
Majority rules. |
i know :(
but my little political theory brain is idealistic. if i have enough money some day i'm gonna buy an island and govern it the way i see fit :whip: |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
right, but people can get thrown in jail for things that the current state doesn't tolerate that i don't think should be considered crimes. that's all i'm saying. i don't want a group of people deciding anything for me. i want to decide for myself, as long as i'm not hurting anyone. |
I'm not sure that's true... you contended earlier that no one gets hurt from a crackhead doing crack in their own house; however, a whole bunch of gang related murder victims would beg to differ with you... as would hookers, johns' wives with communicable diseases, orphaned children, property owners with depressed property values owing to proximity to crack houses, innocent bystanders, etc. Generally, when something is made illegal there is good cause for it, even if you don't see it on the surface. Granted, that isn't the case for everything; however, there are things that need to be considered intolerable and if the general concensus is that something is intolerable then it should be controled or outright prohibited. The most important thing for any society to function to the benefit of the greatest number of it's members is order. For order to be maintained there must be a certain standard of behaviour maintained... generally, things are not tolerated when they violate that standard; if we were to simply tolerate everything that is not on the surface harmful we would likely see that order we need errode with great haste. |
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| prolikewhoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I'm not sure that's true... you contended earlier that no one gets hurt from a crackhead doing crack in their own house; however, a whole bunch of gang related murder victims would beg to differ with you... as would hookers, johns' wives with communicable diseases, orphaned children, property owners with depressed property values owing to proximity to crack houses, innocent bystanders, etc. Generally, when something is made illegal there is good cause for it, even if you don't see it on the surface. Granted, that isn't the case for everything; however, there are things that need to be considered intolerable and if the general concensus is that something is intolerable then it should be controled or outright prohibited. The most important thing for any society to function to the benefit of the greatest number of it's members is order. For order to be maintained there must be a certain standard of behaviour maintained... generally, things are not tolerated when they violate that standard; if we were to simply tolerate everything that is not on the surface harmful we would likely see that order we need errode with great haste. |
hmm well i would argue that the reason there are gang-related crimes associated with the drug trade is precisely because it is illegal. if drugs were legalized, they would no longer be pushed into the black market, where violence is rampant and regulation is impossible. i could talk about drug policy all day, but i'm sure no one wants to hear that so if you are interested we can facebook debate it :)
also, if prostitution were legal, there would be restrictions, similar to pornography, that mandate std testing. that's how it is in germany and amsterdam.
i think the reason some of these things remain so taboo is because of the problems that arise as a direct result of them being illegal. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
i think the reason some of these things remain so taboo is because of the problems that arise as a direct result of them being illegal. |
Like child pornography, right? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
hmm well i would argue that the reason there are gang-related crimes associated with the drug trade is precisely because it is illegal. if drugs were legalized, they would no longer be pushed into the black market, where violence is rampant and regulation is impossible. i could talk about drug policy all day, but i'm sure no one wants to hear that so if you are interested we can facebook debate it :)
also, if prostitution were legal, there would be restrictions, similar to pornography, that mandate std testing. that's how it is in germany and amsterdam.
i think the reason some of these things remain so taboo is because of the problems that arise as a direct result of them being illegal. |
In truth, I agree with regard to some drugs and with regard to prostitution; however, decriminalization would not completely eliminate the problems; there would still need to be controls and prohibitions in part. The fact tht you speak to controls and restrictions goes to show that a certain level of intolerance is necessary; or rather that you agree it is. With that being the case then we need to allow intolerance to exist because there may be justifiable grounds for same. Of course we can challenge their actions and rhetoric but we cannot simply dismiss all intolerance as bigotry or deem it to be unacceptable. |
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| prolikewhoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
In truth, I agree with regard to some drugs and with regard to prostitution; however, decriminalization would not completely eliminate the problems; there would still need to be controls and prohibitions in part. The fact tht you speak to controls and restrictions goes to show that a certain level of intolerance is necessary; or rather that you agree it is. With that being the case then we need to allow intolerance to exist because there may be justifiable grounds for same. Of course we can challenge their actions and rhetoric but we cannot simply dismiss all intolerance as bigotry or deem it to be unacceptable. |
i completely agree. in some cases, we need to be MORE intolerant. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
You can't. We live in a community and give the courts and armed police forces the right to dispense our laws. Somebody has to do it.
Majority rules. |
not exactly. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Sore subject for me. |
Is there a pun in there? |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
not exactly. |
Please do elaborate oh wise one. I stand with my breath held, waiting for your diatribe on society and the evils of humanity. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
everyone has the right to their life, their liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - inherent in this definition is that these rights not infringe upon the rights of any other, as all men are created equal. |
the declaration of independence provides people with exactly all. it's a fancy note. nobody has the "right" to pursue happiness.
australians > americans @ US law. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
the declaration of independence provides people with exactly all. it's a fancy note. nobody has the "right" to pursue happiness.
australians > americans @ US law. |
For the love of god PKC she is from Texas, please don't group her in with people from pretty much any other state. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Like child pornography, right? |
God damn it Hal you made me read two of her posts hoping I could say that before I saw yours. :mad: |
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