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2012.02.24 MARKUS SCHULZ @ Pacha NYC (pg. 10)
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| lounger540 |
Not on a Friday or Saturday, but we've seen very big names come through all size venues before. Cielo has had Sander K, Cosmic Gate, Leibing on Thursdays just fine. D36 is even larger, I'm sure they'd have no problem. There's also Highline and Nokia/Bestbuy or whatever it's called now.
Also remember Pacha is 19+ a lot of the time and a big b&t venue. That place is crowded no matter who is playing on a weekend.
It's not only Markus though, there are a number of DJs every year that come through Pacha exclusively that I would have seen at any other venue but chose to forgo the Pacha experience. |
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| Sedna |
| I have to say, the replacement club for Markus would have to be open till 6 or later. I'd rather see him close out Pacha than a club that closes at 4. |
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| violethalo |
| quote: | Originally posted by lounger540
Um, anywhere. What a dumb statement. There are plenty of venues you could have him at. And he's an afternoon flight away being a Miami native, you could always book him on a weekday at a venue like Cielo. They do it all the time with DJs just a big. If you think Pacha represents the top of sound quality you need to get out more. |
There's no reason to be rude. He didn't say Pacha represents the top of sound quality, he said he doesn't think there's another place that can accomodate a large crowd AND accomodate the sound. Both. Together.
Yes, Cielo and District have better sound. No, they can't fit Markus. Everyone complains about Pacha being packed, you think Cielo and District would somehow be better? As Cielo proved with Sasha, they are willing to pack out the place. It would be miserable.
Highline is a good space and should be used more, but it's still on the small side.
Best Buy/Nokia has AWFUL sound.
Roseland/Hammerstein/Webster would be the other options, and they really aren't much better than Pacha. They would all get really packed and the sound isn't any better.
I hate Pacha, but there just aren't enough large clubs in NY.
No reason to be rude to someone for making a valid point. You didn't even read his comment correctly. |
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| lounger540 |
I'll be rude if I want to be, thank you, not that I was. Get a grip.
And look, we're having a real conversation about the scene, I'm going to pat myself on the back now.
To respond to your points specifically, yes, I do believe Cielo or District would be better. Even if it's packed just as much, they both have much better staff and don't allow as much riffraff and shady types through. Even pack I've never had to deal with swarms of sweating shirtless guidos wearing body glitter hand raping my girlfriend between dance circle sessions.
As far as any venue having poor sound, that can be fixed overnight by the promoter if they're not satisfied. |
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| violethalo |
| quote: | Originally posted by lounger540
I'll be rude if I want to be, thank you, not that I was. Get a grip.
And look, we're having a real conversation about the scene, I'm going to pat myself on the back now.
To respond to your points specifically, yes, I do believe Cielo or District would be better. Even if it's packed just as much, they both have much better staff and don't allow as much riffraff and shady types through. Even pack I've never had to deal with swarms of sweating shirtless guidos wearing body glitter hand raping my girlfriend between dance circle sessions.
As far as any venue having poor sound, that can be fixed overnight by the promoter if they're not satisfied. |
Listen, if other places started booking mid level to big trance names I would be there in a heartbeat. The problem isn't just sound/capacity it's that Pacha has a monopoly no matter how badly they treat people and how horrible it is. I don't understand it. Even if I don't think Cielo or District would work out so well in actuality for someone like Markus, I would go. But District doesn't book trance and besides Cosmic Gate, when was the last time Cielo booked a big trance name? And wasn't Cosmic Gate packed and miserable? I don't want them playing on weekdays anyway, then a lot of us can't even go.
Three years ago they could all play at Love and everyone was happy. But it's gotten too big and NY still hasn't recovered from Giuliani's smack down, and that's the real problem. |
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| lounger540 |
The scene isn't going to change overnight though. Yeah, Wednesday night isn't ideal but it's a stepping stone.
As far as Pacha having a monopoly, blame your promoters. The techno crews in NYC have no problem working with new venues, working together to bring in big names, etc. The trance people here seem to lack imagination or will to do anything new. Same acts, same venues same results. The funny part is the argument that Schulz and others are simply too big for the medium sized venues, but then when you talk about some of the lesser known names there's the discussion that they're afraid there wouldn't be enough of a draw. It's like the whole trance scene is stuck with the DJ Mag top 10 from 2004. |
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| goonielove |
| quote: | Originally posted by lounger540
Markus is one of the few trance guys I want to see anymore but I've had too many experiences like above at Pacha where I won't even see my favorite trance DJ there anymore because I know it will be a big tease as I always end up going home with a horrible distain for everything that took place at Pacha, always. VIP ed us last time too with basically no drinks and dick staff. Hearing people get flagged and searched randomly makes me believe we should ALL stop going, make our friends stop going and maybe people like Markus will play a decent venue. (IANAL but pretty sure this counts as illegal detainment no matter what kind of "agreement" you make upon entering private property, you can't override constitutional rights in a contract). |
OK so from this statement I am led to believe you didn't even go to Markus last week correct? First point proven. And giving a place you apparently HATE to go to all your money in bottle service???? Forget dumb statements, let's talk about dumb actions.
| quote: | Originally posted by lounger540
Um, anywhere. What a dumb statement. There are plenty of venues you could have him at. And he's an afternoon flight away being a Miami native, you could always book him on a weekday at a venue like Cielo. They do it all the time with DJs just a big. If you think Pacha represents the top of sound quality you need to get out more. |
| quote: | Originally posted by lounger540
Not on a Friday or Saturday, but we've seen very big names come through all size venues before. Cielo has had Sander K, Cosmic Gate, Leibing on Thursdays just fine. D36 is even larger, I'm sure they'd have no problem. There's also Highline and Nokia/Bestbuy or whatever it's called now.
Also remember Pacha is 19+ a lot of the time and a big b&t venue. That place is crowded no matter who is playing on a weekend.
It's not only Markus though, there are a number of DJs every year that come through Pacha exclusively that I would have seen at any other venue but chose to forgo the Pacha experience. |
I am not even going to respond to the thought of Markus at Best Buy or Highline. yuck
So the person who apparently gets bottle service at a place he hates to go to because he more than likely doesn't want to deal with a crowd wants to have Markus Schulz in smaller clubs like D36 or Cielo....
I've been to mostly every major venue in NYC AND many of the smaller ones all within the past year and yes, Cielo & D36 both have way better sound but I don't care what day of the week it is - he will pack both those places out. I absolutely LOVE both spots way more than Pacha but it's highly unlikely.
End of the day the venues are not big enough and Pacha runs late enough for Markus to grace us with extended sets...I am certainly not going to complain.
And if keeping him in that space keeps all you haters out, win/win for me |
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| ravan |
2 dumb n00b questions..
- how does the promoter / artist relationship work? are artists exclusive to a promoter or could any promoter get any artist to any club if they could make the puzzle work?
- does the pacha crew read sites like this? If i was pacha (or any club taking this kind of a beating) I'd be interested in cultivating a relationship with scene sites like TA and not get as bad of a rep as it seems pacha is getting (lately?) ? |
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| violethalo |
| quote: | Originally posted by lounger540
The scene isn't going to change overnight though. Yeah, Wednesday night isn't ideal but it's a stepping stone.
As far as Pacha having a monopoly, blame your promoters. The techno crews in NYC have no problem working with new venues, working together to bring in big names, etc. The trance people here seem to lack imagination or will to do anything new. Same acts, same venues same results. The funny part is the argument that Schulz and others are simply too big for the medium sized venues, but then when you talk about some of the lesser known names there's the discussion that they're afraid there wouldn't be enough of a draw. It's like the whole trance scene is stuck with the DJ Mag top 10 from 2004. |
Yeah, I feel you. That's why Markus was my first trance show since..... I don't even know, last summer? And I hadn't been to a good trance party since WMC week last year. There are certain artists I know I would enjoy if they ever came to NY, so I guess I gotta wait until Marco V decides to hit up the US again or August for Durand's boat party. Until then.... techno it is.
Massive could easily use Highline more often, I had a great time there a couple of weeks ago at Claude von Stroke. They already used the space for Aly & Fila I don't know why they don't bring in more mid level trance DJs there. Hopefully they will. |
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| violethalo |
| quote: | Originally posted by goonielove
OK so from this statement I am led to believe you didn't even go to Markus last week correct? First point proven. And giving a place you apparently HATE to go to all your money in bottle service???? Forget dumb statements, let's talk about dumb actions.
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Yeah, I don't get that. When I do give in and go to Pacha I give them as little money as humanly possible. I won't be an enabler :whip: |
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| goonielove |
| quote: | Originally posted by lounger540
The scene isn't going to change overnight though. Yeah, Wednesday night isn't ideal but it's a stepping stone.
As far as Pacha having a monopoly, blame your promoters. The techno crews in NYC have no problem working with new venues, working together to bring in big names, etc. The trance people here seem to lack imagination or will to do anything new. Same acts, same venues same results. The funny part is the argument that Schulz and others are simply too big for the medium sized venues, but then when you talk about some of the lesser known names there's the discussion that they're afraid there wouldn't be enough of a draw. It's like the whole trance scene is stuck with the DJ Mag top 10 from 2004. |
DEFINITELY agree with you here. I mean Made Events even made attempts to bring artists to different venues when they were doing monthly/weekly parties. Now that they just do Electric Zoo it seems mostly all the parties we get are at Pacha and the growing National Underground.
But I definitely think it's the fear of not drawing a big enough crowd that is holding everyone back. But come on already, look at the West Coast, they're booking gigs like Kyau & Albert, Tritonal, W&W, Orjan, with no problems about draw. Granted the scene is much bigger out there, but if it wasn't big/growing in NYC why would they be bringing an EDC here?
I think it's time to start bringing in non-top 10's!!
Speaking of made events (and not to thread jack), do you ever think they could throw a Winter Festival? Obviously not outdoors, like the convention center or something??? |
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