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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
the only competitor to itunes, and that is potential, is google. Beatport is nothing, will be nothing unless it stops focusing on EDM solely and gets major financial backing. Without that , it will continue to be nothing. You guys don't see to get how irrelevant beatport is.
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i disagree. i think you fail to see the relevancy now that EDM on the rise. have you not realized everything is dipping into EDM styles?
Edit: plus beatport is expanding their genres, they sell hip hop now. which is a recent addition. |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
i disagree. i think you fail to see the relevancy now that EDM on the rise. have you not realized everything is dipping into EDM styles?
Edit: plus beatport is expanding their genres, they sell hip hop now. which is a recent addition. |
Your point being that all that music is on iTunes already in most cases (apart from a retarded label that wants to miss sales by making it Beatport exclusive)? Your point being that iTunes seamlessly integrates into their I-devices (especially ipods and iphones) which probably 50% of western society owns by now? Or the fact that it's a whole lot cheaper? Not to mention iTunes is easier to browse.
I recall reading up on some recent studies saying the best performing music platforms where doing so because of their broad library. This was regarding on-demand streaming platforms, but it isn't too farfetched to say most of it applies on download stores as well.
Beatport is providing needs for a niche market. Nothing wrong with that as those are still multi-million dollar markets, but is just isn't a mainstream portal at all, which is where the billions and majority of the world population are.
Beatport has been selling hiphop for years already, they've tried it several times (including under a different brandname) and failed miserably every time thus far. |
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| Nightshift |
all i really have to say is time will tell. im not talking about now im talking of the future. things change and beatport is far more mainstream for EDM purchases than iTunes, and considering that EDM is on a rapid rise right now, i dont see how you guys arent seeing this lol. sure right NOW beatport is aimed towards DJs but everyone wants to be a DJ these days after deadmau5 and skrillex, and beatport is pushed far harder than iTunes for EDM releases. and now they expand their site with DJ profiles, & the new "Sounds" section of beatport. Beatport is evolving and iTunes isnt. Soundcloud is evolving, and iTunes isnt.
its not impossible, nothing is impossible. so i dont see why many of you deem it is. only time can tell. this is jsut my speculation from wroking very close to many producers and audiences both. Apple is on top right now, but what goes up must come down eventually because these platforms are focussing on what iTunes IS NOT doing, which is social interaction - and that plays a huge roll in what people choose to use these days especially with the big uprising of social networks.
there are many more factors to be looked at than what you are seeing. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
that is what you dont get , there are more sales for EDM on itunes than there are for beatport. I'm talking volume. Sure, the stuff that nobody knows is not on itunes, or doesn't sell which is really the problem. IT isn't accessible and that is something beatport is not really doing anything about. The sales of 1 mainstream EDm artist sells more on itunes in a day that all of beatport's sales for a week. Beatport caters to djs. And that is about 1% of the demograph that buys dance music.
it is insignificant. |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
that is what you dont get , there are more sales for EDM on itunes than there are for beatport. I'm talking volume. Sure, the stuff that nobody knows is not on itunes, or doesn't sell which is really the problem. IT isn't accessible and that is something beatport is not really doing anything about. The sales of 1 mainstream EDm artist sells more on itunes in a day that all of beatport's sales for a week. Beatport caters to djs. And that is about 1% of the demograph that buys dance music.
it is insignificant. |
and where are proof of these figures? or are you jsut talking out of your ass? and even if you are right, how cna you say that it will sustain? you see things how they are now and expect them to stay the same when everything in music right now is changing drastically.
now dont get me wrong i dont enjoy beatport very much nor do i get my music for playing out from it, so i do agree with what youre saying about the accessibility, but iTunes is not doing anything about that either. this is where Soundcloud plays its part, as the underground filling. and guess what? beatport IS pushing that. so they're already up one on iTunes. The problem with iTunes is they think they dont need to work with anybody, Beatport was the same way until recently and this is where they got smart.
look at everything thats happening in the music industry right now and tell me this isnt possible. honestly if you DONT think its possible then you havent much incite into the current day music industry, everything is changing and quite rapidly. |
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| DJRYAN™ |
| really all Beatport would have to do is file for an IPO. I'm sure they have enought capital to get on one of the exchanged. Then they'd have millions of dollars to get the licensing required to do whatever it is that they feel like doing. If their intentions are to do anything but what they're doing now.. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
and where are proof of these figures? or are you jsut talking out of your ass? and even if you are right, how cna you say that it will sustain? you see things how they are now and expect them to stay the same when everything in music right now is changing drastically.
now dont get me wrong i dont enjoy beatport very much nor do i get my music for playing out from it, so i do agree with what youre saying about the accessibility, but iTunes is not doing anything about that either. this is where Soundcloud plays its part, as the underground filling. and guess what? beatport IS pushing that. so they're already up one on iTunes. The problem with iTunes is they think they dont need to work with anybody, Beatport was the same way until recently and this is where they got smart.
look at everything thats happening in the music industry right now and tell me this isnt possible. honestly if you DONT think its possible then you havent much incite into the current day music industry, everything is changing and quite rapidly. |
no i have friends that work for WB, a cousin that works in the legal department for sony, my manager, my accountant, my publisher , and others that have shared their opinion that hold jobs in the industry. Beatport is a joke.
itunes yearly sales are in the billion. Beatport is in the low millions. A slow week at Beatport,250 sales will get you a number 1. Do the math. It isn't hard to see. Beatport doesn't make money from volume sales from an individual artists. They make money from a bunch of djs buying music nobody else would buy because it sucks. And you can't really push that limit. Their sales are not growing in any way near what itunes is doing. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJRYAN™
really all Beatport would have to do is file for an IPO. I'm sure they have enought capital to get on one of the exchanged. Then they'd have millions of dollars to get the licensing required to do whatever it is that they feel like doing. If their intentions are to do anything but what they're doing now.. |
except that would make them have to share their books, and i can guarantee they aren't playing level or reporting all sales. And the second they are bought, it would be google or apple that bought them, the entire company would be gutted and redone in a way that is not idiotic. |
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| Marsguy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
i disagree. i think you fail to see the relevancy now that EDM on the rise. have you not realized everything is dipping into EDM styles?
Edit: plus beatport is expanding their genres, they sell hip hop now. which is a recent addition. |
I agree with you. And i hate iTunes because some tracks i download is lossy... |
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| ShabbaRANNx |
I'm sorry but Nightshift, you're way off base on beatport's place in the market.
I swear we went through this in the other thread but here goes:
Beatport library = 700,000 tracks.
Itunes Library = 20,000,000 songs.
Beatport unit sales to date: estimated to be around 40,000,000 tracks.
Itunes unit sales As of 2010: upwards 10,000,000,000 (10bn).
Now consider the fact that itunes has seamless and complete vertical integration with the most widely used portable OS platform (over 1bn compatible devices worldwide), and that beatport's solution is either downloading mp3 files to your pc or using their downloader with which you still have to figure out a way to get your music on to some hardware player (or even itunes).
Sorry, but however you look at it, Beatport does not even register as seroius competition for itunes. Beatport is basically a niche media outlet for a very small group (in relative terms) of enthusiasts. THink about it. Maybe 100,000 dj's world wide, vs 1bn consumers worldwide.
Also, the statement about Itunes not being around in the next 2 to 3 decades is completely dumb; it's not just likely, but almost a given. It was even around 12 years ago. I mean, 2 to 3 decades ago we were using 8-tracks and vinyl sold to us from 50 year old record labels via local record shops. We didn't even have computers in the home and digital audio was this thing being developed by the likes of NASA and Dolby.
In 2 to 3 decades, music will probably be streamed directly to tiny in-ear wireless devices, based on our subconscious social media predilections.
I doubt beatport could actually do a decent IPO right now. Sure they could sell some shares, but most companies hoping to be publicly traded need far better figures and bigger client bases than beatport currently has. I actually think everything they are doing is business alignment in the hopes they get snapped up by one of the big media conglomerates.
Don't get me wrong, I like beatport, and only use itunes when forced to, but in terms of scale and business, beatport is tiny. Just keep in mind it seems omnipotent to DJ and producers as there aren;t many alternatives for this enthusiast group, but the fact you can hit no.1 on the beatport chart with less than 1000 sales in a given week, kind of shows how small it really is. |
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| Rodri Santos |
| true edm represents 10% of the market and this is what beatport covers mainly. David Guetta, Rihanna etc.. main source of sales it's not beatport. Every producer should try to get into itunes rather than beatport, with beatport you can hardly make a 3 number figure. |
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| TranceLover007 |
The funny part is that I never had itunes and I don't really care for it ;)
Cheers |
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