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Future Music: In the Studio w/ Avicii (pg. 2)
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
that is 100% Euro. Nothing american about this style of house. Well it isn't house. It is euro dance. He has awful skin tone. Watching him work was painful. Like clicking notes note sure what they are or what they are doing. |
I meant it's AmericanISED
In that it is dance music in the form of an MTV show cut scene, DJ Pauly style (or whatever that cvunts name is)
Music as a show
As a ringtone
US style. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
still disagree
American commercialism is better done. This is a ty euro attempt.
Americans package things but do it well.
LMFOA is an american dance group. But unlike Avicii, they are likeable. More pre packaged but because there is more money to be made, the production is better, the presentation is better, and that is why Avicii will never be heard on mainstream american radio despite more underground EDM which i would include say Britney Spears first single from her Blackout album as ridiculous as that sounds. Avicii is euro dance. He might get american bookings but that is because of his euro connection because americans will never admit to having anything to do with dance music because its gay ?
You can't market an ugly boring poked faced european in the US. American style is all flash. Avicii has neither. He is ugly, is he boring, and doesn't have a tv show. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
still disagree
American commercialism is better done. This is a ty euro attempt.
Americans package things but do it well.
LMFOA is an american dance group. But unlike Avicii, they are likeable. More pre packaged but because there is more money to be made, the production is better, the presentation is better, and that is why Avicii will never be heard on mainstream american radio despite more underground EDM which i would include say Britney Spears first single from her Blackout album as ridiculous as that sounds. Avicii is euro dance. He might get american bookings but that is because of his euro connection because americans will never admit to having anything to do with dance music because its gay ?
You can't market an ugly boring poked faced european in the US. American style is all flash. Avicii has neither. He is ugly, is he boring, and doesn't have a tv show. |
Fair point, well made.
LMFAO are Gods. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
i like them
they are a gimmick. They know it and in miami was actually really good. And their other stuff is just as bad as everything else except they know it and make funny videos that parody what they do. Basically they do what SHM and Avicii do but better , and its a lampoon.
Even Tiesto is not marketable in the USA. |
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| Trancelover03591 |
I actually really like what I have seen so far and find it very useful. Of all the producer tutorials I have seen, he works the closest way to the way I work. He is basically doing everything in this tutorial in real time.
Rodri, I said that the goal for a producer shouldn't be about making a song from scratch but rather make a good track. What I should have said, is that for some people the goal is just about making a good song. And I don't think there is anything wrong with that. If you want to create all your own loops, samples, presets, ect, that is your own goal. But I don't like it when those types of producers make a big thing over producers who make effective tracks using some simpler methods. |
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| Rodri Santos |
His production skills are arguably. specially i don't know why he hasn't learnt yet how to make a proper intro/outro and the kick + closed hat formula he uses on every song is very niche but.... what he does is catchy. Levels is amazing, i mean, no lyrics and is an instant floor killer even 2 years later.
He is famous yes but not that much as like if Rihanna releases a new album that you know there will be legions of fans hyping it.
And he has another 2 songs that melodically are quite good:
-Drowning (Avicii Remix), the original is real crap he made something completely different.
-Tom Hangs - Blessed, the chord progression here is quite fresh, his sounds are usually very similar and a bit exhausting but this kind of chords aren't that predictable.
He is sucessful for a reason, i think he really knows what can do damage on an uneducated dancefloor. |
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| TheFrown |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
they aren't good. Poorly produced, generic chord progressions , absolutely nothing there, The dance production in Lady Gaga's latest album was more cutting edge than what he does.
If you like Avicii, you are 10 years old or suffer from some for of auditory aphasia.
this isn't about style. This is poor music. And if you want to get into the nitty gritty details about what makes it bad, well we can. He is pathetic. |
Bhahahhaha. You say he has poor production quality? Please point out to me what makes his proudction quality "poor". Just because he starts off with presets?
booooo ing hoooo
His layering creates a more intresting sound pallet then the majority of eliets who refuse to start off with anything but the initionlisation.
Then you say he has "Generec Chord Progressions" and there is nothing there. Might be some truth to this for some of his tracks but as someone else mentioned his track "Blessed" is anything but.
Most of his tracks even if they are genereic still flow nicely.
What you don't like about him is what he and his colleges represent. The commercialization of EDM. That or most of the people who like him.
If you dont like his style of music, thats fine. But then again from the comments I have seen you don't like much of anything... |
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| Looney4Clooney |
nope. Couldn't care less about the commercialization. LMFAO "Miami" is on my party mix. I know the lyrics to last friday night. Trust me, I don't revere things whether they are commercial or not. I do care if the artist has nice skin.
mixing is half assed.
sound design sounds like a scratch take. Something you would show the actual producer. I mean Katy Perry sounds more cutting edge ( to be fair Katy perry has the best people working for her so that isn't really a surprise) . Lady Gaga's album sounds more underground than his stuff. There is just nothing there. Nothing there for one to find remotely interesting. There is more going on in the Rihanna dance than Avicii. Avicii sounds like a vengeance construction kit. But somehow worse. Like those kits would just be too intricate or something.
Now if you had a really low standards, i could see how you might like it but then i kinda wonder why not listen to Ke$ha or Rihanna because it is pretty much what i would expect one of their dance tracks to sound like before the real producer makes it sound like something a record exec would green light. I have yet to hear anything he has mixed or produced that would not be rejected and have a hired gun come in a fix. It sounds like a Kareoke version.
This is the sort of fluff I would sell to 6 year olds. Like a kids album. This would fit perfectly if the lyrics where about say cats.
I hate SHM but even their stuff sounds passable. Like i get that, I don't like it but i get it. I get Guetta. I mean most of the big names that make this sort of Euro dance i get why people would like. Avicii, that i have a hard time getting. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
If you like Avicii, you are 10 years old or suffer from some for of auditory aphasia.
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People do tell me I look young for my age...
He gets arrangements right, and there's no fluff, no extra that holds the track back. Pros tend to add too much in, while noobs don't put in enough.
Faxing Berlin is relatively simple, but it gets the energy right and doesn't have any fluff. Simple dance tracks work the best. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
but he is so redundant. There are people that do what he does better. He is like um, that one boyband B44. There was no point. Even 98 degrees had a more defined sound. His music does not sound professional. I can't really say that about any producer that is at that level. They are atrocious and no , it isn't a style thing like over-compressed ... It just sounds like someone sent the wrong master. Well not the master. The temp mix to show his boyfriend,
His arrangements are identical to everyone else. So what he adds to the canon , well i don't get it.
Faxing Berlin had a unique sound for the time. It didn't sound like like some kid rolling a dice picking presets from nexus and Vengeance.
Anyways, i'm not going to add any more negativity. I'm all about the benjamins and chocolate love. |
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| TheFrown |
Comparing the mixing of Avicii and lets say Lady Gaga does not work. Avicii's tracks are instrumental driven. While the pop stars tracks the Vocals are the center of everything.
Bad Romance Instrumental:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWMeENIC8Xw
Obviously that youtube clip is not fair to judge the mixing on considering its low quality. So i downloaded the 320kbs which is close enough. By itself the track sounds cheap and lame. It complements the vocal very well but its not meant to be played by itself.
Avicii's tracks sound big. That is there intent, and it is accomplished well. Im not saying hes the best producer in the world but he is far from talentless and far from being "pathetic" |
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| TheFrown |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
People do tell me I look young for my age...
He gets arrangements right, and there's no fluff, no extra that holds the track back. Pros tend to add too much in, while noobs don't put in enough.
Faxing Berlin is relatively simple, but it gets the energy right and doesn't have any fluff. Simple dance tracks work the best. |
Big +1
More does not always mean better. |
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