Originally posted by itsamemario
..... If good music sold, then the billboards would look very different. The only reason he is number something on the list, is because there are a hell of a lot of weak-minded people who will buy anything they are told to buy.
Yeah agree with you but we need to separate two different things from each other: good quality and popular music as in meany cases those two things don't go together at all. In perfect world we would have both of them in line but unfortunately we are far away from that world ;) --> so I will give him "the popularity credit" :D
Now I need Geoff to blast my respond lol - just please spare my uneducated approach G. ;)
Cheers,
Darek
Richard Butler
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Originally posted by itsamemario
If good music sold, then the billboards would look very different. The only reason he is number something on the list, is because there are a hell of a lot of weak-minded people who will buy anything they are told to buy.
So oh great one, oh dispenser of all things credible, what would your top 10 look like, you know, the one all the sad people are missing as they are sooo dumb to recodnise good music?
Richard Butler
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Richard, it is a question of opportunity cost.
This isn't about a genre. This is about an artist in his genre that is so bad that he sticks out like a sore thumb. And your rock analogy is awful. Rock musicians were rather good. Put it this way, he is like Lars Ulrich on drums except that he didn't have a producer to program the drums basically doing everything over to make it sound acceptable.
And if you found him engaging, well you have the personality of a gnat. he has no personality, no enthusiasm and all that could be forgiven , even the stupid hat, if his work somehow was stellar.
I struggle to understand what it is you are seeing. Is this some sort of unconscious acceptance of ones own limited ability or just a case of inexperienced untalented musicians with extremely bad taste resonating with say how Americans seem to resonate with 2 and 1/2 men.
That is basically what avicii is. 2 and a half men. Popular but inexplicable other than the fact there are enough mongs to provided a listening base. The sad part is that there are people here among them. I could forgive a child. even a teenage. But if you are over 18 and like Avicii, i would probably leave anything regarding taste to your girlfriend.
Well here's the thing.
I can appreciate bubblegum and high end. For example I just watched the film 'The Kite Runner', an exquisite piece of high art mind fodder.
But on the other hand I saw 'Battle Los Angeles', a mass market hollywood boom, and you know what, it's great, and no one here could get anywhere near porducing something as accomplished.
People seem to want to conflate technical and musical competence with recognition mass. It doesn't work that way.
I'd lurve to be able to pull off something as accesible as Avici. I'd much rather pull off that 1 in a million feat, than be yet another high ability busker able to play the viola too high precision. No one cares about that as a million people could do it - with enough practice.
Richard Butler
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Because it isn't easy. It take a special mind to manage to find a special formula of that people will somehow find appealing and commit to that and deal with the fact that you are spending time making that . How does one justify any sort of rape.
Think about writing for the show 21/2 men. That is undeniably awful but to write like that, is to think like that or be able to put your self in the shoes of a white trash inbred trailer rentee and channel that void.
Yes it takes a special talent to be that bad. Just like it takes a special person to wear a raccoon tail in public but i saw someone. I could never do that. Some would call it integrity. Maybe i'm not free spirited enough.
And i never questioned if he was nice. he is boring. he is the last person i would want at my party.
Ok I just got you right here, I get where your'e comming from.
My GF is super classy, she cannot stand for example people who wear obvious designer labels. She thinks it implies a weak, sheep like mind.
Buttttt, she also critiques all the music here on TA and says most is lame and no one would be bothered with it because it does not grab attentionj in the way an Avici track would in a club or bar. Try it. Stick one of my or anothers lame tracks on - whoaa nice plucks wtf, and then stick on an Avici track. There's a difference most of us will never recognise. The consumers recognise something many of us cannot distill.
tehlord
I think there's good cheap throwaway crap, and bad cheap throwaway crap.
A Big Mac is a tasty burger, it's cheap and it's bad for you but it's tasty.
Then there's those Rustlers microwave ones you get in any shop that has a fridge. They're just nasty.
Aviiciiciiici is the latter.
Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by Richard Butler
Well here's the thing.
I can appreciate bubblegum and high end. For example I just watched the film 'The Kite Runner', an exquisite piece of high art mind fodder.
But on the other hand I saw 'Battle Los Angeles', a mass market hollywood boom, and you know what, it's great, and no one here could get anywhere near porducing something as accomplished.
People seem to want to conflate technical and musical competence with recognition mass. It doesn't work that way.
I'd lurve to be able to pull off something as accesible as Avici. I'd much rather pull off that 1 in a million feat, than be yet another high ability busker able to play the viola too high precision. No one cares about that as a million people could do it - with enough practice.
Avicii isn't accessible. Skrillex has more commercial appeal. THe problem with Avicii is that his music is just as vacant as he is. There is nothing to grab on to. He is just the worst artist in his genre.
I don't think i'm conflating anything. I sight read mahler symphonies on the piano when i wake up for one hour every day, I also have Party in the USA - Miley ing Cyrus on my workout mix right now. Trust me, i don't care about whether something is a work of art to appreciate some aspects. I might know more than the average joe but i am as far from an elitist as it goes. What i mean is that i don't discriminate because of a type of music ie bubble gum. Even bubble gum, i can tell you what is good, what is bad. But if you are going to listen to bubble gum, listen to better bubble gum ? If you are going to listen to something so ing cheesy, i don't get why you don't listen to Call me Maybe or California girls. More catchy.Or LMFAO. More accessible. And arguably better well production wise that is obvious but even from a EDM aesthetic. That is how awful avicii is. It is the kind of music that would only hold up if you are high. Thats it.
And you are also missing the point. What people listen to . whatever. But honestly.Production forum. It just seams ed that producers look up to him. That is the ing weird part. There are just so many better people to emulate in that given style. SHM is better and that hurts me to say that.
Evolve140
Wow, I have no idea why a producer would look up to him. Especially if you are new. You do not want to get into the habit of using presets and the synth design of others. I would like to know what his understanding of full synthesis is. It would seem if he were any good at that he wouldn't be using so many presets and ROMpler sounds. The only thing he did right was timing and marketing. 2 things. Very simple approach he uses and effective for what he is going for, but I find it rather mundane, since the only decent element of the track that gives it any balls is the melody. House is about feeling and drums and grooves, none of which are present in his productions from my stand point. I find the music extremely cliche and stale compared to some of the amazing tunage out there.
LoveHate
whatever type of music teenage white girls like, will reign supreme.
Deillon
I would be pretty frustrated when someone was achieving much more with minimal skill and equipment compared to me if I were studying music all my life.
pointPi
Everything Avicii, I think Nhato does a lot better.
Rodri Santos
not a bad track but how this is relate to avicii? It's a totally different genre.
Beatflux
Levels has a perfect hook with a perfect uplifting melodic contour. A lot of tracks don't even have a hook, or its just not very good.
When that lead comes in it just lifts up the entire track. That's how it should be IMO.
