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Future Music: In the Studio w/ Avicii (pg. 3)
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheFrown
Comparing the mixing of Avicii and lets say Lady Gaga does not work. Avicii's tracks are instrumental driven. While the pop stars tracks the Vocals are the center of everything.
Bad Romance Instrumental:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWMeENIC8Xw
Obviously that youtube clip is not fair to judge the mixing on considering its low quality. So i downloaded the 320kbs which is close enough. By itself the track sounds cheap and lame. It complements the vocal very well but its not meant to be played by itself.
Avicii's tracks sound big. That is there intent, and it is accomplished well. Im not saying hes the best producer in the world but he is far from talentless and far from being "pathetic" |
i didn't comment on gaga's mixing. And his tracks have vocals. And they are no different than the dance Rihanna does except hers are mixed well. They sound more authentic than his bull. Britney's last album sounded more authentic that his . And when you have Britney Spears sounding more cutting edge than an EDM artist, well i don't know what to say. I think he is awful and as much as a try to understand where you guys are coming from, i fail.
He is lazy. He is predictable and he is everything i would assume producers would find revolting. The fact that pop artists selling more technically bound by more aesthetic restrictions because it will be playing on the radio sounds not only better, but more current, is a sad thing. And that is fine, People suck but for others especially on a production forum not to sort of say well. ya, Avicii, he means well but ..... irks me.
And there are times i will defend the popular guy. I will defend Skrillex and Deadmau5 unashamed. Even Gartner despite his artistic direction is just on another level. But Avicii to me well, he does what he does but the fact people here are not just defending him from the standpoint that hey , we are all artists , but on his actual work, well me sideways. |
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| TheFrown |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i didn't comment on gaga's mixing. And his tracks have vocals. And they are no different than the dance Rihanna does except hers are mixed well. They sound more authentic than his bull. Britney's last album sounded more authentic that his . And when you have Britney Spears sounding more cutting edge than an EDM artist, well i don't know what to say. I think he is awful and as much as a try to understand where you guys are coming from, i fail.
He is lazy. He is predictable and he is everything i would assume producers would find revolting. The fact that pop artists selling more technically bound by more aesthetic restrictions because it will be playing on the radio sounds not only better, but more current, is a sad thing. And that is fine, People suck but for others especially on a production forum not to sort of say well. ya, Avicii, he means well but ..... irks me.
And there are times i will defend the popular guy. I will defend Skrillex and Deadmau5 unashamed. Even Gartner despite his artistic direction is just on another level. But Avicii to me well, he does what he does but the fact people here are not just defending him from the standpoint that hey , we are all artists , but on his actual work, well me sideways. |
You mentioned gaga before thats why I brought her up. Most of Avicii's tracks have a big instrumental chorus and a vocal in the break.
I do get where your coming from. He says himself in that video he is lazy and most of his tracks are very formulaic. But it is Dance music. Its OK for a track to be predictable and formulaic to a certain extent.
Truthfully I love his stuff. The big layered sounds and his candy coated arps and uplifting chords.
:p
He gets a lot of hate these days so It frustrates me to a certain extent. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
i mentioned gaga in terms of production in particular her last one. Never liked the mixing on her albums. Mixing , I mentioned Katy Perry, Her stuff just sounds fantastic. As much as you want to hate a part star, and i really have no respect for her, her records manage to have the vocal where it should but the rhythm section really comes thru.
anyways, i'm not going to spend time saying why i don't like something. I disagree. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
He is lazy. |
It might be something to commend.
I would rather listen to something that is simple and predictable, then something that sounds like it was forced for the sake of being complex and different. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
you seem to place yourself between a rock and a hard place. Why not just listen to music that is interesting. Something that is new, that isn't forced yet is something you can take things form.
And i don't think i attacked Avicii on being simple. I love prydz. But his simplicity is a choice. Avicii's simplicity does not really seem that well thought out. Ideally one is able to do something different yet still appealing in its role as a dance track which is invariably commercial.
And if you think being lazy is a virtue, then there is no point in arguing. Not being lazy does not mean doing annoying complextro that has sounds that don't seem to have any raison d'etre except it sounds really complicated.
I will say that if you use this sort of production as inspiration, i mean you are really aiming lo and it is unfortunate because there is music i think deserves more merit especially if you are a producer. As someone that goes to clubs, what ever. But honestly, it is depressing that producers find this acceptable. |
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| Teezdalien |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Avicii sounds like a vengeance construction kit. But somehow worse. Like those kits would just be too intricate or something.
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Nail on the head there. Anyone with serious credentials in music will tell you the same, it's rubbish. But really the fact is that hoards of people don't care and will lap up mindless garbage, you only need to turn on the radio or TV to verify this. |
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| tehlord |
ING REPLY BUTTON! :p
I can understand why a load of chemically enhanced morons can enjoy it, I do get the celebration of noise dynamic.
I don't understand how anybody that's interested in listening to and making quality music can think it's good on any level though. Perhaps you should use it as a measuring stick of your own ability. If you think it's musically or technically good, then just go back to listening only.
It really is kids music masquerading as real music and popularity is no measure of quality. |
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| Richard Butler |
This music has wide appeal to all ages, even grandmas.
Ok it ain't technically mind blowin or anything but none the less it captures something enough people find worth engaging with.
There's a zillion proficient pianists out there but people don't want to engage with many of them, why, because they've heard it a zillion times before. So who's the more unique, this guy, or yet another classical pianist / violinist? Who makes something, however bubblegumish, more unique? Not likely the classicaly trained player - we can hear them everywhere on the subway, in the school concert, down the pub or in the 3 star hotel, so what?
I kinda like the fact someone a bit clumsy and not cpmming accross as some sort of guru or wizzard, can engage such a wide audience, and in the end make people feel happy.
I'm a bit of a film snob, so I guess I cannot stand romcoms n stuff, and this music probably falls into that putrid romcom space, but none the less those ty films make a lot more people happy and engaged than say some deep self referncial snobbish film I might prefer.
Lastly, this guy makes better stuff than me (not hard eh!), so I can learn something probably from the way his simply melodies weave around slightly unusually and the way he blends sounds.
I mlike the way he doesn't get all hung up one bass note for 3 days like I would.
So slags, I know you'll hate me, but I ain't gonna lie, this has a worthwhile place and something to teach. Whats so wrong with appealing to 15 y/o's? We were all starry eyed kids once..........
Go back 35 years and you will hear the muscial officinados dissing heavy metal, which todays old officinados now enjoy, doh...
People can't bare the thought of someone with little apparant technical knowhow, getting loads of attention. Thats rock n roll, always will be.
If it's so easy let's one of us here make something like this and get a mass audience........ |
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| TheFrown |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
ING REPLY BUTTON! :p
I can understand why a load of chemically enhanced morons can enjoy it, I do get the celebration of noise dynamic.
I don't understand how anybody that's interested in listening to and making quality music can think it's good on any level though. Perhaps you should use it as a measuring stick of your own ability. If you think it's musically or technically good, then just go back to listening only.
It really is kids music masquerading as real music and popularity is no measure of quality. |
What you enjoy is a measuring stick of your own ability? :rolleyes:
You speak as if there is right and wrong when it comes to music. What you perceive as quality does not mean anything but just that, "YOU" think its quality. Its not black and white. People enjoy all forms of music and creative expression. Having a narrow minded view only hinders you... |
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| tehlord |
It is .
I have removed all traces of personal preference, and it is still . |
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
This music has wide appeal to all ages, even grandmas.
Ok it ain't technically mind blowin or anything but none the less it captures something enough people find worth engaging with.
There's a zillion proficient pianists out there but people don't want to engage with many of them, why, because they've heard it a zillion times before. So who's the more unique, this guy, or yet another classical pianist / violinist? Who makes something, however bubblegumish, more unique? Not likely the classicaly trained player - we can hear them everywhere on the subway, in the school concert, down the pub or in the 3 star hotel, so what?
I kinda like the fact someone a bit clumsy and not cpmming accross as some sort of guru or wizzard, can engage such a wide audience, and in the end make people feel happy.
I'm a bit of a film snob, so I guess I cannot stand romcoms n stuff, and this music probably falls into that putrid romcom space, but none the less those ty films make a lot more people happy and engaged than say some deep self referncial snobbish film I might prefer.
Lastly, this guy makes better stuff than me (not hard eh!), so I can learn something probably from the way his simply melodies weave around slightly unusually and the way he blends sounds.
I mlike the way he doesn't get all hung up one bass note for 3 days like I would.
So slags, I know you'll hate me, but I ain't gonna lie, this has a worthwhile place and something to teach. Whats so wrong with appealing to 15 y/o's? We were all starry eyed kids once..........
Go back 35 years and you will hear the muscial officinados dissing heavy metal, which todays old officinados now enjoy, doh...
People can't bare the thought of someone with little apparant technical knowhow, getting loads of attention. Thats rock n roll, always will be.
If it's so easy let's one of us here make something like this and get a mass audience........ |
You made some valid points in your respond Richard and I agree with you on the fact that his ability of developing something really appealing and catchy (for a lot of people) using simply Nexus, Sylenth and loops is very unique and impressive as many of us trying to reach that level by our self and will never get there.
Cheers,
Darek |
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| Looney4Clooney |
Richard, it is a question of opportunity cost.
This isn't about a genre. This is about an artist in his genre that is so bad that he sticks out like a sore thumb. And your rock analogy is awful. Rock musicians were rather good. Put it this way, he is like Lars Ulrich on drums except that he didn't have a producer to program the drums basically doing everything over to make it sound acceptable.
And if you found him engaging, well you have the personality of a gnat. he has no personality, no enthusiasm and all that could be forgiven , even the stupid hat, if his work somehow was stellar.
I struggle to understand what it is you are seeing. Is this some sort of unconscious acceptance of ones own limited ability or just a case of inexperienced untalented musicians with extremely bad taste resonating with say how Americans seem to resonate with 2 and 1/2 men.
That is basically what avicii is. 2 and a half men. Popular but inexplicable other than the fact there are enough mongs to provided a listening base. The sad part is that there are people here among them. I could forgive a child. even a teenage. But if you are over 18 and like Avicii, i would probably leave anything regarding taste to your girlfriend. |
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