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Gay Hate (pg. 12)
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| Lira |
| You know what punctuation nazis and gaylords have in common? They all know the different possible uses for their colons. |
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| Sushipunk |
Let's talk about semi-colons.
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| Redd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
Redd is a stupid word and Norwegian must be a stupid language to spell it that way. |
The word directly translates to "scared" or the imperative of "to save". It was meant as the first. I know, I know, cool story. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
The word directly translates to "scared" or the imperative of "to save". It was meant as the first. I know, I know, cool story. |
Needs more dragons. Like the kinda that only have one eye and spew white-hot fire when aroused. |
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| tubularbills |
| This thread!:stongue: |
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| EgosXII |
I wonder how much media has to do with the acceptability of other people's PDA. I don't know any gay people who are grossed out by straights kissing etc (especially if the couple is hot haha), but I think most straight people are a little uncomfortable by gay people showing affection.
It seems to me that we are CONSTANTLY slammed with images of straight people showing affection to each other. In movies, on tv, in magazines, AND of course, just in our everyday lives. BUT, we nearly never see the same images of gay couples, UNLESS you're looking for them: Eg: watch a 'gay' movie, or read a 'gay' magazine (and I don't mean porn, I mean media published specifically for 'gay' people as a minority). These types of images aren't in the public eye as much. In fact I would bet most conservative people had probably never seen gays being affectionate. , even the most mainstream depictions of gay people are usually devoid of any real affection on screen.
THIS could easily be why its 'gross' to a lot of straighties. Its simply a shock; something that's mostly accepted on the rational level these days (people can be with whoever they want), but still never really seen! On the flipside, straights showing affection is so commonly seen that most gay people probably wouldn't be grossed out by it, even though performing the act themselves would probably be gross to them.
Just a thought anyway...
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
Dude I'm from Canada we have railways for all sorts of minorities here. Gay marriage has been acceptable since the 90s. Black people have jobs. The least discriminating country in the world. However that being said I still think penis 2 penis is gross. But I also think pineapples are gross. I think I have the right to be able to say yuck to both. Don't worry I'm not going to oppress you just because you like pineapples or because you want your penis grazing a mans back. But I should be allowed to shudder at it without being called a homophobe |
I think the point is, as you're aware, that pineapples probably don't have feelings. There's a bit difference between your opinion and your social countenance. I think this is a bit of a problem in many places: Definitely a huge problem in Australia. People think their feelings on a subject are RIGHT, and they act without any regard to other's opinions, and I think this is how you get racially, or sexuality-inspired violence.
Everyone has biases; Everyone's a bit racist, and a bit of a sexist, and a bit of a bigot, or whatever, but its about how you let that control your actions and countenance to other people, and the world. If you have no filter you are going to be labelled a racist, a homophobe etc.
I think the thing about racism and homophobia and sexism is that they aren't about your FEELINGS, they're about your actions. It doesn't MATTER if you have a million gay friends, and you're 'totally cool' with gays sucking cocks; it matters how you act. Its ALWAYS the defense in racist, and sexist offenses too- You're disposition doesn't matter. Nobody can see that. You can be totally homophobic, or totally not homophobic, what matters is how you treat gay people, not what you think about them. Same goes for racism and sexism. Its not about what you THINK, its about how you act. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
Just a thought anyway... |
That makes a lot of sense, actually, although it won't change in the near future because no broadcaster wants to be the first to (regularly) shock the public.
Last year (not 1962, 2012!), our main TV channel was scheduled to broadcast the first gay kiss in prime time television. No nudity (which is anything but rare), no foreplay (quite common as well), no anything major - just a kiss. The backlash was so strong they cancelled their plans... and ironically enough had a gay character die in the following episode, showing that the public would rather see gay people die on screen than kiss one another.
If that's not messed up, I don't know what is. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
That makes a lot of sense, actually, although it won't change in the near future because no broadcaster wants to be the first to (regularly) shock the public.
Last year (not 1962, 2012!), our main TV channel was scheduled to broadcast the first gay kiss in prime time television. No nudity (which is anything but rare), no foreplay (quite common as well), no anything major - just a kiss. The backlash was so strong they cancelled their plans... and ironically enough had a gay character die in the following episode, showing that the public would rather see gay people die on screen than kiss one another.
If that's not messed up, I don't know what is. |
I added a huge edit, would be interested on your thoughts on that as well Lira. Mostly something that's become really clear from living in Japan.
Yeah, its CRAZY how badly received gay stuff is on primetime...! :( |
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| Bierheld |
Egos, although what you're saying holds true in most ways, it's also only half of the solution. I think you're expecting a little too much out of people this way. We're not machines. people tend to slip up when their guard is down. We don't have complete control of our expression nor are we perfectly emphatic beings.
It has to come from both sides, taboos and unnecessary sensitivity don't help the situation either. We need to be able to openly discuss things.
In this case, vivid boy did absolutely nothing wrong from a rational standpoint. Saying something looks gross is not even an insult but an expression of personal preference.
The first part of your post is completely true in that you can get desensitised to pretty much anything, however it really shouldn't even be necessary with the right mindset and a bit of ing character which unfortunately a lot of people lack. Looking at myself I have never ever been bothered by homosexual displays of affection in public, not even slightly. And I can laugh myself to tears when I see some of my friends get massively uncomfortable when other guys start coming on to them in clubs and the like. I even put to the test a few years ago by watching some bi porn, were you had too guys ing each other with a girl in between the action and I was able to comfortably knock one out. |
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| Bierheld |
To elaborate, for me it's always been far more frustrating dealing with bigotry when it's below the surface. If someone has a problem with me I'd much rather they actually say it then make up excuses for why they don't want to hire me or let me in to their establishment.
How are we ever supposed to discuss a solution when people are confined to only say what is politically correct? The result of all these taboos is that it drives people away from each other, as people will try to avoid confrontational situations altogether in fear of being exposed for what they are. Or pathetically victimize themselves like the OP here. I truly believe it's a dead end.
I would prefer it if we insult each other all the time, so we get confronted with our faults and can try and improve ourselves, or just learn to be able to deal with having different preferences. A much needed rebalance of reason and emotion, which I think is critical for living peacefully in modern individualist societies. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
I wonder how much media has to do with the acceptability of other people's PDA. I don't know any gay people who are grossed out by straights kissing etc (especially if the couple is hot haha), but I think most straight people are a little uncomfortable by gay people showing affection.
It seems to me that we are CONSTANTLY slammed with images of straight people showing affection to each other. In movies, on tv, in magazines, AND of course, just in our everyday lives. BUT, we nearly never see the same images of gay couples, UNLESS you're looking for them: Eg: watch a 'gay' movie, or read a 'gay' magazine (and I don't mean porn, I mean media published specifically for 'gay' people as a minority). These types of images aren't in the public eye as much. In fact I would bet most conservative people had probably never seen gays being affectionate. , even the most mainstream depictions of gay people are usually devoid of any real affection on screen.
THIS could easily be why its 'gross' to a lot of straighties. Its simply a shock; something that's mostly accepted on the rational level these days (people can be with whoever they want), but still never really seen! On the flipside, straights showing affection is so commonly seen that most gay people probably wouldn't be grossed out by it, even though performing the act themselves would probably be gross to them.
Just a thought anyway...
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I think any making out in public is kinda frowned upon. its one thing if its a nightclub and people are all boozed up. Its another thing if its daylight in public. I was always against affection in public. holding hands is cool, a hug a quick peck lip to lip but thats it. anything more and awkward no matter the gender or the couple |
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