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| quote: | Originally posted by Woony
Do you really think the likes of Sasha, Armin, Guetta or Tiesto will need any more money in their life? They are set. What keeps them going is the rush of performing. It's pretty much a drug, it's the same reason for why old pop stars with all the money in the world keep making comebacks. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
I've read before that Sasha and Diggers are constantly fielding requests to do a classics, twilo-era set but have said that they'll never do it. |
I caught Digweed a few years back, and after his set ended he came back and did a brief encore with two or three tracks. When he was finally finished, some douche got right up front, leaned over the booth and chanted, "HEAVEN SCENT! HEAVEN SCENT!". John was polite at first and forced a chuckle (I'm sure it's beyond annoying after so many years) and politely shook his head no. The guy got belligerent, still shouting it but angrily. Digweed looked at him and just said, "Not now, not ever. NO," and walked off. |
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| iLLiE586 |
Closest you're going to get is if you catch them doing an extended set. A lot of times they'll turn into classic mode in the weeee hours. Tiesto will never happen.
Armin did a classic set that I am pretty sure was on vinyl at ASOT550 Den Bosch last year that was pretty good. |
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| BshidoHEAT |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj christian
Do you have the link for the set?
Had a mail exchange with him years ago. Seems to be a really nice bloke! |
Sorry, I only heard about the set because I subscribed to him on facebook. |
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| Floorfiller |
| i think the best chances of this would be if they became irrelevant. they may try and turn to classic sets to regain some traction. but i think they are as popular as ever so prob not going to happen. not to mention that the younger generation of electronic music listeners wouldn't get it to be honest. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
I've read before that Sasha and Diggers are constantly fielding requests to do a classics, twilo-era set but have said that they'll never do it. |
Every once in a while, Dogwood will throw a classic in the middle of his set. Honestly, I like it that way because you aren't expecting it, so when it happens, it really creates a special moment and the crowd reacts to it. |
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| paulversuspaul |
the big issue is that for some reason, most djs think and believe that to be a premier dj you have to play the freshest and newest tracks and especially tracks that are just about to come out. that mentality is the reason why i think some of the biggest names wont play classic sets. Also, by even agreeing to one, its basically saying that your best days were in the past.
But that being said, what i never got, is that you have 30 plus years of electronic music and you only play stuff within the last year? why not use all that music over those 30 years to craft a banger of a set that will blow everyone out of the water. You dont need to go and play "heaven scent" , "xpander", "love stimulation" etc on a loop for 2 hours but there are so many wonderful classic tracks that have been forgotten and not available on beatport that would still leave the crowd breathless. Sooner or later, some up and coming dj is going to start integrating a lot of older sets and classics and propel himself into superstardom because of it. That is when the entire scene might change for the better. But that is a tall order to ask when currently you cant even get a dj to play slightly outside his own sub genre of music in a set. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by paulversuspaul
the big issue is that for some reason, most djs think and believe that to be a premier dj you have to play the freshest and newest tracks and especially tracks that are just about to come out. that mentality is the reason why i think some of the biggest names wont play classic sets. Also, by even agreeing to one, its basically saying that your best days were in the past.
But that being said, what i never got, is that you have 30 plus years of electronic music and you only play stuff within the last year? why not use all that music over those 30 years to craft a banger of a set that will blow everyone out of the water. You dont need to go and play "heaven scent" , "xpander", "love stimulation" etc on a loop for 2 hours but there are so many wonderful classic tracks that have been forgotten and not available on beatport that would still leave the crowd breathless. Sooner or later, some up and coming dj is going to start integrating a lot of older sets and classics and propel himself into superstardom because of it. That is when the entire scene might change for the better. But that is a tall order to ask when currently you cant even get a dj to play slightly outside his own sub genre of music in a set. |
These guys are probably getting at least 100 promos and new releases thrown at them on a weekly basis. Why would they play a bunch of old stuff if they can keep it fresh, literally every day if they wanted to? Not only do they want to keep things new and refreshing for fans but I'm sure for themselves as well. I don't know about you but if I were playing multiple gigs a week, every week, I'd start to get tired of playing the same tracks all of the time and if I had the access that these guys do to new tracks, I'd be listening to the ones I liked and playing them. |
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| paulversuspaul |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
These guys are probably getting at least 100 promos and new releases thrown at them on a weekly basis. Why would they play a bunch of old stuff if they can keep it fresh, literally every day if they wanted to. Not only do they want to keep things new and refreshing for fans but I'm sure for themselves as well. I don't know about you but if I were playing multiple gigs a week, every week, I'd start to get tired of playing the same tracks all of the time and if I had the access that these guys do to new tracks, I'd be listening to the ones I liked and playing them. |
The problem is that they do play the same tracks over and over again as it is. Go on youtube and pick any famous or premier dj, lets take sasha as an example. Literally search sasha live 2012, and you get a bunch of iphone clips of him spinning at various venues all throughout the year. Next go to 1001 tracklists and look up the tracks on sets that were broadcast. 60-70 percent of the tracks are unchanged from venue to venue. Heck most of the transitions are unchanged. I saw sasha for nye and i could literally predict half the set as I had already seen him play that stuff on youtube at other venues across the country. Its the same for just about any other big name DJ. And like i said, you dont need to keep playing "xpander" at every set. But integrating 30 years of music, and as many genres as possible to truly keep it fresh has serious potential. As an example, i went to a random and non national festival over the summer, and in one of the areas an unknown dj, at least by me, banged out a set in which he was playing modern and fresh deep house tracks mixed into some classic house, techno, and even some progressive from the 90s. He dropped "french kiss" and the place just exploded. and i dont even think most people knew that it was a famous song as the majority of people were very young. His set blew the big names acts completely out of the water and only the 50-100 people in that area realized it. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
I don't know about you but if I were playing multiple gigs a week, every week, I'd start to get tired of playing the same tracks all of the time and if I had the access that these guys do to new tracks, I'd be listening to the ones I liked and playing them. |
This same concept can be applied even if you're not playing at gigs all the time. I spin almost every day, and there's no ing way that I could possibly play the same tracks all the time - buying new music (whether the actual tracks themselves are old or not) is very refreshing to anybody who spins on a regular basis. That, however, is not to say that it's a bad thing to sprinkle a set with some classics here and there. |
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| Woony |
| quote: | Originally posted by paulversuspaul
the big issue is that for some reason, most djs think and believe that to be a premier dj you have to play the freshest and newest tracks and especially tracks that are just about to come out. that mentality is the reason why i think some of the biggest names wont play classic sets. Also, by even agreeing to one, its basically saying that your best days were in the past. |
No, it's because they already rinsed the out of that material back in the day. Like, do you have any idea how much ing dark prog Sasha & Digweed have played. Hundreds of gigs playing the same every year, for years on end. I can totally sympathize if a DJ refuses to play stuff from a certain era of his career.
As for playing old tracks, that depends heavily on the genre. Pretty much every single self respecting techno & house DJ plays a good portion of old stuff, sometimes it makes up like half the set. But it's not like the general clubber even ing notices unless it's a really big classic. It's pretty much for the DJ and the nerds. |
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| paulversuspaul |
| quote: | Originally posted by Woony
No, it's because they already rinsed the out of that material back in the day. Like, do you have any idea how much ing dark prog Sasha & Digweed have played. Hundreds of gigs playing the same every year, for years on end. I can totally sympathize if a DJ refuses to play stuff from a certain era of his career.
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Yeah but they have been playing tech-house for just as long. Dark Prog gets talked about a lot here and because of that I think there is misconception that somehow the genre lasted or existed for a lot longer than it actually did but if you back through the history and just look at old tracklist archives as a movement it didnt last much longer than the current tech-house scene that both those djs have been playing. Shouldnt they be getting sick and tired of playing those genres by now? And, also i dont want to hear or am i arguing for a dark prog only set. Thats basically right back to same self imposed limitations that I am arguing against. What I would like to hear is someone who just uses those 30 years of music in his sets. And you brought up the techno scene in which djs do play old material constantly and thats one of the main reasons why i love going to and seeing techno DJs currently as they use much more material to craft a set and it doesnt feel like im listening to a djs latest podcast of stuff from his own label. I too can sympathize with a dj who refuses to play stuff from a certain era. But why not then play different stuff from other eras? To be honest, I saw Sasha and Digweed play live during that era. and saw pvd before be went to crap etc. I am fine with never hearing "Xpander" live again or hearing pvd mix flaming june and forbidden fruit together. And really the memory of it probably has grown in stature over time and i probably would be disappointed in hearing it again now compared to how fondly I remember those nights. I just think that most of these djs are really limiting themselves and by extension all of us by not using all those tracks to craft the best possible set. |
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