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Edward Snowden (pg. 3)
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| wotyzoid |
| It'd be easier to assassinate him if he wasn't in the public eye. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
As a last " you" to the NSA? He seems like one of those people who make barely legible posts on here talking about how much they hate America and want to renounce their citizenship. If he was really so genuine about what he's trying to help, then why has he been doing it for years? |
Timing, really. He feared for his family and all, so he says he waited until the time was right. Makes sense, as you wouldn't expect a gung-ho NSA employee to go Leeroy Jenkins all over the American government if he really wanted to raise awareness.
I fully lol'd at this by the way. This is a great reason to stay in Russia :p |
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| DJ RANN |
I'm sorry but that's just nonsense.
If he really cared about his family, I'm sure a seasoned NSA contractor could find a way to spill the story while maintaining anonymity. Again, wikileaks has protected hundreds of confidential sources. If you're really that concerned about the repercussions for your family, and this is obviously years in the making (prism is at least 9 years old) then you can wait a couple of years until you figure out a safe way to leak it.
While the Ana Chapman thing is indeed funny, it is kind of poignant to the subject matter(and she knows it); she was clearly outed as a spy, or let's say it better, she was an actively involved in espionage and what trouble did she get in? Absolutely all.
In fact she got several modelling and commercials contracts and became a household name in several countries, making a small fortune off it.
Again, I think Snowden has looked at people that have recently been in these situations and though, yes, I want those groupie threesomes that julian assange is getting, yes, I want the talk show circuit to pay me millions for my time and hey, I can be a "hero" at the same time.
I don't think there's anything brave or heroic about Snowdon. Narcissistic and greedy yes.
Those that really care, do it without jumping in front of a camera for the glory, when there's absolutely no need. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I'm sorry but that's just nonsense.
If he really cared about his family, I'm sure a seasoned NSA contractor could find a way to spill the story while maintaining anonymity. |
Which could in turn put him in danger. He wrote in the beginning he decided to come forward and say his name after he went full noid in Hong Kong, because he could've sworn American agents were after him. If someone - anyone - kills Snowden now, we'll all know.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Again, wikileaks has protected hundreds of confidential sources. If you're really that concerned about the repercussions for your family, and this is obviously years in the making (prism is at least 9 years old) then you can wait a couple of years until you figure out a safe way to leak it. |
Has it really? How? And to what extent? Did their leaks have as much impact as this one? Because I remember Bradley Manning, and I'm not sure he was protected in any way... I could be missing some others.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
While the Ana Chapman thing is indeed funny, it is kind of poignant to the subject matter(and she knows it); she was clearly outed as a spy, or let's say it better, she was an actively involved in espionage and what trouble did she get in? Absolutely all.
In fact she got several modelling and commercials contracts and became a household name in several countries, making a small fortune off it.
Again, I think Snowden has looked at people that have recently been in these situations and though, yes, I want those groupie threesomes that julian assange is getting, yes, I want the talk show circuit to pay me millions for my time and hey, I can be a "hero" at the same time.
I don't think there's anything brave or heroic about Snowdon. Narcissistic and greedy yes.
Those that really care, do it without jumping in front of a camera for the glory, when there's absolutely no need. |
The problem is that, as you said, you think that's the case - you (and, for that matter, I!) could well be mistaken. We can only base our opinions on what he's said. It's unlikely Assange has been living the good life inside the Ecuadorian embassy because of all security breaches this would involve - and it would've been simply irrational of Snowden to do this after Assange got into this mess. He had a quite interesting life prior to that, but then we saw it all go wrong in a matter of days.
Of all people just mentioned, Anna Chapman is the only person who got the best out of spying - precisely because, to my knowledge, she was outed without any really sensible information. |
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| Lagrangian |
Not entirely bug-free: There's the 4th amendment, it's a decent starting point, but there needs to be a set of specific federal laws about privacy and data protection springing from it. This zone should not be open to interpretation by duplicitous and power-hungry executive branch as it is now.
A few minor inventions and social changes happened since the Founding Fathers wrote the constitution. Modern legislators need to properly extend 4th amendment protections to the Internet properly and address other privacy issues.
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The internet needs to fight for its privacy with what it knows best: technology. Fighting governments with their own laws is pointless. The rallies against the snooping will achieve nothing. Maybe someone will get fired, maybe someone will say "This is very-very-very bad, we are so-so-so terribly sorry" (actually, they aren't even pretending to be sorry), but nothing will change.
It's time to encrypt EVERYTHING.
On to Snowden: the guy has a few nuts and bolts missing, he's not a hero, but a catalyst.
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P.S:. Ortega and that gang of commie bastards. Evo Morales. South America should be ruled by Europeans. WP */ trollol |
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| Spacey Orange |
| kill the messenger, ignore the message. |
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| SherlockCrash |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
kill the messenger, ignore the message. |
That's the way to go. Never mind the real criminals.
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| DJ RANN |
There's some good points in that, and the more you find out about this guy, the more you realize he's got a screw loose and/or he's quite the bullter.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Which could in turn put him in danger. He wrote in the beginning he decided to come forward and say his name after he went full noid in Hong Kong, because he could've sworn American agents were after him. If someone - anyone - kills Snowden now, we'll all know.
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But apparently he vacated his house and went on the run before he even got to Hong Kong and at that point there was no reason to do so as the only person who knew he was going to do it, was him - he wasn't yet even working for the defense contractor in HK. Again, it doesn't make sense.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Has it really? How? And to what extent? Did their leaks have as much impact as this one? Because I remember Bradley Manning, and I'm not sure he was protected in any way... I could be missing some others.
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Two main differences;
1: just one single document (prism) had more of a revelatory effect than all 5000 documents that Manning released (which were mainly embarrassing comments between diplomats, broken promises or back chat etc). Nothing was on the scale of the entire world is being spied on by America and it's been going on for years and all the phone companies were secretly duplicit.
2: Manning was an active service member of the military and the reason he did it was serious mental health problems, not really because he felt there was some huge injustice caused by the wires. He also didn't really know all the details in the documents he was releasing. He got caught because he released documents that had a clear paper trail, had made little to no effort to cover his tracks (other than release anonymously through WK) and in fact, some say his actions demonstrated that he wanted to be caught as you just wouldn't so dumb to do the things he did in the process of releasing the info.
We remember him because he was somewhat a tragic tale and Wikileaks, especially Julian Assange himself, used the situation as a platform to get global recognition. Bear in mind, before that, WK was a small organization and now they are known the world over.
You say living in the ecuadorian embassy isn't the good life, but it's a damn site better than getting convicted of rape, and he only has to hang on another couple of years for the statute of limitations to expire and then he can say for the rest of his life that it's a smear campaign and no one will ever see a trail to prove otherwise. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
I think he is a little bitch. No respect for him and what he did.
There are better ways to make sure that things like this are put an end to and he just ran out screaming like a little attention whore.
Also wikileaks and Assange. ing hate that .
Manning should be strung up to when he is found guilty. |
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| zGoogleman |
| Are you still hung-over Joss? |
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