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TA DJ's: Choose the challenge (pg. 5)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| In fairness, it might have been best to let all the potential players voice their ideas first rather just coming up with two new ideas from two people and going straight to the poll. |
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| ziptnf |
Okay I have more of an idea of what we should do with these two new ideas, but first I need more clarification on the theme challenge and the team based mix.
For the theme challenge, are we talking the format would be:
1. User X submits a theme for a "dark and spooky" mix.
2. User Y submits a theme for an "industrial" sounding mix.
3. User Z says he wants to hear a "happy" mix.
4. All the ideas are shuffled and mixes are created.
Does that sound about right as an example?
Now with the team mix:
1. Will it be the entire list of participants or just groups of 4/5 people? I think if 10 people are in the challenge, a 10 person mix would be a little excessive, but I can certainly understand.
2. How many tracks will each person tack on to the mix?
3. Are we looking at multiple genres or what?
Once we clarify those rules, here is what I had in mind:
2014 we will do the 3 random track mix, the dropbox master crate mix, and the traditional genre challenge
2015 we will do the theme challenge, the team mix, and another traditional genre challenge
I think that's a good way to keep everyone busy in terms of challenges. I don't want to squeeze all the ideas into one year because that'll be asking too much from everyone.
Thoughts on this instead? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I think with a themed challenge, one theme is chosen and it's how each participant interprets it differently. I'm part of a mixtape-swapping community that do it this way (that's where Time & Space came from). |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I think with a themed challenge, one theme is chosen and it's how each participant interprets it differently. |
Ah okay I gotcha. Jan, is that what you had in mind?
Edit: also, is anyone else interested in the tribute mix idea? |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
...which changes nothing about my point, namely: If you really are as precious about what tunes to play in a mix as you're showing here, this entire concept of a "challenge" clearly isn't for you. Just sit it out and wait for the regular genre challenge to come
along again. |
Basically all you guys are doing is just setting stricter limits to what you play, it just sounds like no fun. Yes, I'll pass, have fun. I really like Adam's concept idea, I'll wait for that. |
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| wotyzoid |
And shut the up, Jack, about me not grasping the point of limitations in a challenge. Regardless if it's a challenge or not it shouldn't be constraining. The broader and more conceptual we make it, the more people will hop in.
edit: The fool is you. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
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Who died and made you the boss, you dumb cunt? |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Ah okay I gotcha. Jan, is that what you had in mind?
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I'm not particularly inclined either way, but I do think SYS-J's idea is the more practical approach to a themed challenge for the person organising it. That way, you'd only need to keep track of one theme for everyone, instead of making notes to keep track of a dozen themes for a dozen different participants. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
The broader and more conceptual we make it, the more people will hop in. |
That is begging the question. The whole point of this thread is to find out what people prefer. You're simply throwing a tantrum because not everyone agrees with your esoteric ratio of how restrictive a challenge should be. And what a tantrum it is - I thought I was a belligerent bastard, but I've never tripled-posted to call people cunts, and especially not in a discussion of what game everyone wants to play. |
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| Psyshell |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
Who died and made you the boss, you dumb cunt? |
Really not the way to get people to hop on with you organizing a project of any kind... So far as I can tell Ziptnf is being fair and reasonable in every way with things being based either on consensus or polls(not that that's even necassary). I don't see a reason to object. If you have any particular objection why not voice it and if it gets shot down repeatedly when other people echo the same thing then maybe object to the leadership. There's no reason to do so unilaterally.
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
I'm not particularly inclined either way, but I do think SYS-J's idea is the more practical approach to a themed challenge for the person organising it. That way, you'd only need to keep track of one theme for everyone, instead of making notes to keep track of a dozen themes for a dozen different participants. |
Are you kidding? The difference in time it would take is about 20-30 minutes in total at most (not including discussion over which themes are good or not). Definitely not the most complicated thing in history. Compared to running a mod team for a game or something it's 5% of the work. I don't think that'd be an issue. Things like really vague themes that very few genres represent well might be though.
Also, I'm in if no one objects. I Probably won't be too happy spending a fair amount of money buying tracks for some obscure genre of house but it'll be an interesting learning experience at least. There's definitely a fair chance it could be an interesting theme/genre though.
My thoughts on each category:
Traditional genre challenge: I definitely appreciated it as a listener. It was nice getting to hear obscure genres and hear djs play outside their comfort zone.
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
or the genre is so ridiculously obscure that people drop out[/list]
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Maybe in the future veto genres that are too obscure. Or force them to become more generic. Making "mid 90s British progressive house" into "progressive house preferably mid 90s British"
Submit 3 tracks: Not that happy with the idea. I'd probably have to tailor the mix to the 3 tracks and if they're from 3 quite different genres I'd probably just find it overall annoying. Maybe the tracks should be vetted for similarity by either Ziptnf or a 3 person council.
Submit 5 tracks: Sounds like a really decent idea so long as the submission of tracks is at least somewhat moderated by genre. Like maybe pick 3 genres which the tracks are meant to be from and a bpm range. Or maybe only 4 of the 5 submitted tracks need to fit guidelines. I'd definitely find this idea pretty inspiring. Especially since you'd get to compare some quite similar mixes in some ways but there's still the wildcard element. I think this would definitely play to the "less is more" thing in terms of music.
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
How about this? We do a tribute mix challenge. We name artists with big enough catalogs, put them in a hat and pick out at random. |
Not really a fan of that format. It's very specific and reaching a decent agreement on who the challenge should be on would be difficult. It would also have far less variety in terms of tracks then even the master crate format. I can think of a few artists I wouldn't mind doing tribute mixes to... but it's not like they're going to be selected. Perhaps tribute mixes are best left as tribute mixes.
Theme format: I like it. Again maybe a tiny bit of moderation on the themes though. I doubt anyone would choose anything too ridiculous though. Some emotions/themes might not go well with electronic music though. Anger seems for instance seems to be rare in edm unless you're talking about dnb or ebm/industrial. |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
Who died and made you the boss, you dumb cunt? |
:stongue:
There are no words to describe how much of a whiny little bitch you're being right now. You make srussell seem level headed and polite.
Edit: also, there's an answer to your question. Meat187 said he wasn't going to do these anymore (hosting the challenge, timing, assignment, etc), and Stu declined the offer to take over. We simply discussed some new options and I decided to make a poll. I'm the only one making decisions because everyone else is spending their time nitpicking the things they don't like about the options. You're the only one visibly upset about them, though. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
Are you kidding? The difference in time it would take is about 20-30 minutes in total at most (not including discussion over which themes are good or not). Definitely not the most complicated thing in history. Compared to running a mod team for a game or something it's 5% of the work. I don't think that'd be an issue. Things like really vague themes that very few genres represent well might be though.
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I'm not saying that it'd be rocket science, of course. I just believe in keeping these challenges simple, and not adding any more bells and whistles than strictly necessary, seeing as how every challenge usually kicks off with about a page worth of arguing back and forth regarding the challenge's stipulations. |
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