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| Looney4Clooney |
seems to be lots of news regarding rape and the growing numbers of people that are victimized. And i suppose as a rape enthusiast , it is a topic i find interesting.
I will preface this and just say that like everything, i don't really know the facts, i have a degree in it, so maybe someone that does can help clear things up . Sensitive issue and i don't really have a side but a few thoughts and if i miss anything, eelll i probably will.
I understand the concerns. How it can and does put the onus and blame on the victim. But then i layout the issue with another crime and the logic doesn't follow.
rape like all crime , is something that nobody earns and ideally, nobody should have to change how they live because of the people perpetrating the crimes. The problem is that this is not based in reality were you can't control the criminal that doesn't care.
I can say right away some advice is retarded and i get why people get upset when you say like don't get drunk. I also find a slight issue with maxims and what should be and what shouldt be but is. People often argue that we should teach boys notrape. This is the one i keep hearing which again, sound great but in practice , well now you are placing the onus of people being good on people that are bad which , well it sounds great until you just play it out in your head. If that were possible, all crime would just be a matter of teaching people not to be criminals. These people don't care or wouldn't do it in the first place.
So if there are actual proven methods that can reduce the chance, is it sexist and self defeating to inform people . i suppose the strongest argument that would make it pointless would just be that there are no preventions in that from what i read, the conditions are so ubqiuitous. it is by someone you know, it isn't like the rape you imagine say well for me, 4 buff black guys teaching me a lesson in respekt. But then i know girls that have had their drinks spiked and well, would it not be a good rule to have a buddy system. That is something i know has worked and maybe i'm wrong but it is rarely done by the people they know. It seems silly to place faith in s not being s.
Another argument which i also hear which does make sense but seems to ignore the goal to stop it from happening in the first place and that is the legal system and how preventions will always be used by the defense as checklist of things people should of done. This happens but this to me seems more a cultural view and has little to do with practical things to make a situation less likely to happen if it is even possible. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Another argument which i also hear which does make sense but seems to ignore the goal to stop it from happening in the first place and that is the legal system and how preventions will always be used by the defense as checklist of things people should of done. This happens but this to me seems more a cultural view and has little to do with practical things to make a situation less likely to happen if it is even possible. |
I can't claim to fully understand your garbled prose, but the obvious logic is that if more efficient rape convictions would make potential rapists less likely to commit the crime for fear of the punishment. As it stands the vast majority of rape cases don't lead to a conviction, which means people are more likely to think they can get away with it.
As with almost any crime, it's impossible to eradicate rape completely, but there are ways to minimise it as much as possible. The first lies with potential victims, who should take the appropriate measures to minimise any potential threat. In an ideal world nobody would break into your house, but you can't complain if you leave your doors unlocked and your windows open at night and wake up to find your TV missing. You've failed to take the easy and appropriate precautions against a threat that very obviously exists, and while you may be a victim you're also a ing idiot. Likewise, girls shouldn't have to watch their drinks all the time in a club, but they're being ing stupid if they don't. The controversy here comes from when people extend this from obvious and sensible advice (watch your drinks / don't get so intoxicated in public as to lose your ability to make sound judgement) to thinly disguised misogyny (don't wear provocative clothing).
The second measure to minimise a crime is a legal system that is efficient enough to act as a deterrent. That is beyond the responsibility of the individual. Sometimes you can do all the right things and your house still gets burgled, so you want a legal system that comes down hard enough on burglars to deter as many of them as possible, because the risks outweigh the reward. The third most obvious measure is tackling the root social or cultural causes of the crime in question. You can't just "teach people not to be criminals", but combating poverty or drug addiction in society helps lower the number of people breaking into houses, for example. This can be done more tangibly in some cases than others: changing attitudes towards women should help reduce sexual violence, but that must happen on a larger cultural level which can only be implemented gradually.
I can't claim to be an expert on rape but I would say there is a clear divide into two categories: rape by people the victim knows, and rape by those they don't. Empirically speaking, the latter can be effectively minimised simply through proper precautions - don't walk home late at night on your own, watch your drinks, etc. The first one is probably more difficult to predict, as I imagine it arises when women find themselves alone with men they know fairly well but not enough to have a full judgement of their character. It would be an extremely paranoiac solution to suggest no woman should ever place herself in a situation where rape could happen with any potential sexual aggressor unless she is completely confident of their character. If you suggested that, women would never go on dates ever again. This is where the legal system really needs to tighten up, because common sense doesn't cover it and cultural attitudes have a long long way to shift before they can wipe out one of the oldest crimes known to human nature. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
I don't believe there is anything at all wrong with doling out personal advice like "don't walk through that neighbourhood late at night" or "don't get drunk around people you might not know or feel safe with". The kneejerk reaction of some people to these sorts of things gets out of hand, because it's absolutely sound advice.
Where it totally becomes problematic is when it is issued after-the-fact, as if to blame someone for not following that wisdom was what invited their victimization; in that case, it's absolutely wretched, wicked reasoning that is endemic of a society that, for various, compounded reasons, often refuses to acknowledge that male entitlement is the largest motivating factor to the phenomenal enablement of sexual violence by way of instilling the polemic imperative of masculinity.
But to consistently pivot on the advice of "don't get raped" is wholly ignoring that rape is *everyone's* problem, and that the few should suffer so dearly for it is a grave injustice that behooves us men -as the primary perpetrators- to admit that the way we talk about and consider women is no minor contributor to the notion that sex is something we must extract rather than share. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
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i write bad when it is not structured because my mind , is not like yours and were as you can write and think linearly, that is rather hard for me. If your intention is to help, well not really helpful. I think you are smart enough to get the message so this really is about you being an when you didn't have to. I don't think it makes you feel better. I don't think you wan't me to feel bad. If i go off the reservation , have at it. But that wasn't really necessary. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| Rape, while completely wrong, is one helluva verb. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I think you are smart enough to get the message so this really is about you being an when you didn't have to. |
No, there are sentences in there I really cannot understand. I can take a guess, but that's about it. Do you have some learning order impeding the quality of your writing that you'd like to share with us? |
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| Vector A |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
No, there are sentences in there I really cannot understand. I can take a guess, but that's about it. Do you have some learning order impeding the quality of your writing that you'd like to share with us? |
My learning order makes it hard to use fixes. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
My learning order makes it hard to use fixes. |
Subtle. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Did you know "grape" is when it's not straight forward and falls into gray area. Like when slylee bf had sex with her when she was asleep. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
No, there are sentences in there I really cannot understand. I can take a guess, but that's about it. Do you have some learning order impeding the quality of your writing that you'd like to share with us? |
Isn't a learning disorder. ASD if you are that curious. When you talk about music , you express yourself like a child I don't expect you to have any grasp beyond a teenager because it isn't my business. amd you do other things well. You mention it every time. If my raping your precious feeling of writing almost good enough to make a buck makes y angry , there is a button called ignore. Press it. I don't understand how you manage to carry all this bitterness and not be miserable. You are smart, old enough to realize how pointless it is. I mean I've accepted that sure, my writing sucks. I don't get wHt you get out if is. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I've never met anyone with autism as incomprehensible or unpleasant as you, and I've no interest in being nice to you because you aren't nice to me or to anyone else. I wrote a long and thoughtful reply to your post. If you want to weep over some off-hand remark about your writing, the stage is yours. |
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