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::::::::. **** TA DJ Challenge Series - Genre Challenge 7 (COMPLETE) **** .:::::::: (pg. 3)
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| jonmitz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bierheld
Personally I don't think it's legitimate either, and that it should be changed to either UK bass or post-dubstep maybe? I know there's a lot of music that sort of hangs around or in between those sounds and you can definitely make something that sounds like a genre mix from that, but it's not really in the spirit of the challenge. |
hmmm... UK bass is a very huge genre that is just about as defining to me as bass. Lots of this music I consider bass is from eastern europe (esp. Ukraine), america, and some asian countries (Japan comes to mind as having a lot of music released lately). It's hard to define - I have heard words used like future garage for some of it, but it definitlety doesn't all fall under that, which would be more of a subgenre.
can we just leave it up to my examples and so forth + the users own interpretation?
the only three genres i was considering submitting were bass, psychedelic*, and trip hop. if any of these are too 'esoteric' feel free to cherry pick one... i dont really care... isn't this part of the fun and difficulty?
*the reason i specified "tribal" was because i didn't want psytrance to be a part of it. bird of prey, kalya scintilla, desert dwellers, etc... if you have ever been to see any of these artists, or even heard any of their music, it shouldnt be a stretch to understand why i specify it as tribal
e: cut excess stuff |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonmitz
hmm yes that is it :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (also laughing at "esoteric" - lol? none of these are esoteric, but if you'd like i can easily provide an incredibly esoteric genre or two for you that would make this competition nearly impossible) |
Oh no, not five rolleyes in a row!
I'm sure you spend all day reading wanky blogs discussing the week-long rise and fall of Japanese glitch bass, but save me your knowledge. "Psychedelic/tribal" is not a "straightforward" genre choice at all, unless you're one of these unwittingly racist hippies who associate everything non-Western with "tribal" "spiritualism", and promptly combine North American dreamcatchers with mahagony African carvings in your tasteless living room and Mongolian throat wailing on top of Arabic percussion on your awful psy-dub album, a predilection that seems to increase in direct proportion with how much LSD one imbibes.
It just strikes me as mighty suspicious that you posted an incredibly vague genre term and when queried your first link was to your own mix. Then you replace your suggestion with a fabricated genre fusion that just so happens to be the concept behind one of your most recent mixes. In the last challenge you shat out a mix within days of the competition starting that was incredibly tenuously linked to the chosen theme, and then vanished without giving any feedback on anyone else's mixes at all. Looking back through your posting history, you've commented on one other TA's mix in the whole of 2014 despite throwing out 10+ mixes and wondering aloud why nobody on here is giving you any replies. It all adds up to a picture of someone who is only here to try and get some response to your mixes. |
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| jonmitz |
yeah man you have me all figured out, good job.
if any of the three submissions ive given are okay to anyone, pick that, if not, drop me out of the competition? i'm not going to engage you in a slapfight.
e: out of pure curiousity, System-J, what genre would you place this song?
I'm happy to correct the way I characterize music. What do you want to call this? Psychedelic world fusion? I'm using soundcloud, last.fm, other sources (i.e. bandcamp), and my own ears to determine what I tag my music as. It's just ing words used to describe sounds, don't get so bent out of shape. |
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| ziptnf |
Jon, he's got a point. Right now you're spinning your wheels, editing and re-editing your posts desperately trying to defend yourself, and for what reason? To try and dispel any notion that you aren't exactly what Jack was pointing out? Your effort in the last challenge was extremely loosely connected to the theme and half-hearted to most listeners. We have an issue with your insistence to suggest themes of mixes featuring hyperspecific genres that you have recently done.
As far as the YouTube link you posted goes, trying to pigeonhole Desert Dwellers into one type of sound is disingenuous. They are multiple things, chillout with psychedelic and tribal influences. That doesn't mean you have to tag them with an exact label, nor should you suggest that someone base a mix on a sound that only a couple of artists even remotely match. |
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| jonmitz |
I collect my songs in buckets and all the genres I have put forth are a few of said buckets - this isn't me playing some grand 10th dimensional chess to get people to listen to some mixes I did half a year ago (I still dont understand that comment). I edited my posts because they were bad, plain and simple - so I'm sorry for that, it's why I fixed them. I will spend more time creating my posts in the future in one single go so there aren't edits.
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So right now we have NY Hard House, which is fairly specific (imo, since it's regional), and funky breaks, which is self describing and pretty straightforward.
I want to make sure I pick a genre I know about so I can properly give whoever gets it a good starting point, as well as having the type of music freely available (both of my suggestions have a lot of free music downloads via SC and BC). However, this is complicated by the fact that I am being called out for choosing genres that have been in mixes I have done before. There aren't many genres of music I listen to that I havent made a mix of.
1) So my first entry (bass) was way too loose - granted. I wanted to pick something that was general enough to give someone a fair amount of leeway with as it has a lot of ways it can be interpretted. So forget that idea as it seems we want something more specific. :)
2) My next entry, as you claim, is hyperspecific. I would love to have that explained to me. Here are a few festivals that focus either entirely or majorly on this type of music. There are a lot more. One of them (ozora) even calls itself a psychedelic tribal festival right on their website. (Guess they are just new age hippy racists, though? idk)
So is this submission acceptable, or is it hyperspecific? Is it not P.C. enough? should we change it to "world fusion psychedelic"? Or is that still to hyperspecific? "Psychedelic" is obviously not specific enough. What modifier do I need to add to make it acceptable? I honestly don't care what you call it. To be fair to myself, I usually call it neotribal psychedelic, to diverge from classical tribal electronic music. Please don't get offended by this.
If 2 is too hyperspecific I'll pick something else. Really not a big deal. |
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| michaelmay |
| If it's progressive, I'm in. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonmitz
e: out of pure curiousity, System-J, what genre would you place this song? |
It just sounds like generic ethno-flavoured downtempo that you hear in Indian restaurants and on those Buddha Bar 27 compilations in supermarkets, albeit with a mild dubstep influence on the production aesthetic.
These festivals you're linking to are just psy festivals that also have chill-out stages. I'm guessing what you're trying to nominate is "psy-chill" which is broad enough to cover a few micro-niches and yet a term I'm pretty sure everyone will understand. |
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| ziptnf |
No, Jon, I'm not offended by the way you label your music for yourself or for others to hear. But when you're taking part in a genre competition, "world fusion psychedelic" means almost nothing to most people. They might have a general idea of what you're trying to get at, but it's not an established genre that you would be able to develop a mix with.
Again, you're taking a more refined approach to suggesting a genre than you would if you were to suggest psychill. Psychill is the larger umbrella in which your "tribal/world/ethnic/fusion/indian/bingbingbing" downtempo music falls under. Downtempo is the even larger umbrella that houses psychill.
For instance:
Trance
--> Tech Trance
---->Dreamy Tech Cyber Whateverthe Specific Label or Artist's Sound Trance
I want you aiming for that second tier when you suggest a genre. So I recommend you keep it at psychill. Let the person who receives the genre decide if they want to go in the ethnic fusion chicken tikka masala direction if they want. Cool?
| quote: | Originally posted by michaelmay
If it's progressive, I'm in. |
Nah, you didn't bother to read the original post so you're not in. |
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| michaelmay |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
No, Jon, I'm not offended by the way you label your music for yourself or for others to hear. But when you're taking part in a genre competition, "world fusion psychedelic" means almost nothing to most people. They might have a general idea of what you're trying to get at, but it's not an established genre that you would be able to develop a mix with.
Again, you're taking a more refined approach to suggesting a genre than you would if you were to suggest psychill. Psychill is the larger umbrella in which your "tribal/world/ethnic/fusion/indian/bingbingbing" downtempo music falls under. Downtempo is the even larger umbrella that houses psychill.
For instance:
Trance
--> Tech Trance
---->Dreamy Tech Cyber Whateverthe Specific Label or Artist's Sound Trance
I want you aiming for that second tier when you suggest a genre. So I recommend you keep it at psychill. Let the person who receives the genre decide if they want to go in the ethnic fusion chicken tikka masala direction if they want. Cool?
Nah, you didn't bother to read the original post so you're not in. |
Actually, after seeing how you like to over complicate something that is not complicated at all (music) I wouldn't waste my time. |
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| djdk |
I may come to regret this come submission time but I cant resist getting involved.
May I throw liquid funk into the pile? My feeling is that although it sounds hyper-specific its actually a reasonably large genre to delve into, although I understand if others disagree. |
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