Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'd say Merkel is a pretty ing strong leader, given the strength and development of her country and the way, as the effective leader of Europe, she has navigated some pretty major problems facing the entire continent. And given that she is leader of the conservative Christian Democratic Union and famously stated in 2010 that efforts to build a multicultural German society have totally failed, her "open borders" policy in the face of the refugee crisis is a quite remarkable triumph of compassion over ideology.
Here is a leader who has openly criticised the failures of integration and yet has responded to that failure by trying to make things better, whereas just about everyone in this thread would seemingly respond to that failure by throwing every single member of a religion out of the country, nay - make that the continent.
This is sarcasm, right?
Lira
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Originally posted by Vector A
Trump is even more of an idiot than Merkle.
You reckon Merkel is an idiot? I know you read a lot so I'm confused as to why you'd even think that.
On top of what Sys said, she single-handedly made Syriza bend backwards to give the Euro some more breathing room - had Greece collapsed at the time, the refugee crisis in Europe would've been a lot worse and could destabilise Southern Europe as a whole. Germany became EU's leader under her watch, albeit a reluctant one, and that's definitely for the better.
Godking5
Trump isnt so much a fool as his core base of support is. As a case study he is extremely interesting. His persuasion techniques, marketing genius , public speaking, etc. are remarkable.
Whats even more interesting is the paralels between his message and bernie sanders message. Thats perhaps why there is an interesting overlap between some of their fan base.
Trumps rhetoric is divisive, yet he critiques the current administration for polarizing people.
To be honest, as much as I dislike Trump for his exploitation of social changes in America caused in large due to globalization, technological innovations/progress that has outpaced the "middle generation" as i call them ( 30s -late 50s) in the past 20-30 years.
If anything, Trumps contribution has been to get people talking more seriously about issues such as illegal immigration and religious fundamentalism (radical islam) , however Trumps stance is completely reactive (overreactive) and non realistic.
soulstar606
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Originally posted by LoveHate
Pfft, the only thing stopping you is yourself and or other "colorless" people some of you are really dillusional
it sucks being colourless.....imagine koolaid without the kool....thats European genetics. a person without colour....
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by Marcus Summers
This is sarcasm, right?
I don't know. Is your whole existence on this forum a lovingly detailed self-parody?
Trance-M
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Originally posted by Marcus Summers
This is sarcasm, right?
I share J and Lira's view on Merkel, I'm surprised to read you and Vector A have a totally different view, actually I thought both of you were trolling.
Vector A
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Originally posted by Lira
You reckon Merkel is an idiot? I know you read a lot so I'm confused as to why you'd even think that.
On this particular issue, yes. In other respects she strikes me as a pretty competent leader.
Neither the quasi-fascist demagoguery of someone like Trump or "let's declare every olive-skinned, dark-haired person who doesn't speak any recognizably European language other than rudimentary English to be a 'refugee'" seem like very reasonable solutions to me.
Marcus Summers
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I don't know. Is your whole existence on this forum a lovingly detailed self-parody?
You got me, bud. Internet communities are extremely important to me and you've hurt my feelings with your incredible wit.
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Originally posted by Trance-M
I share J and Lira's view on Merkel, I'm surprised to read you and Vector A have a totally different view, actually I thought both of you were trolling.
Yeah, it's wierd. A Web forum full of PLURtards still clinging to their dead genre think I'm trolling.
If you think allowing 1,000,000+ Muslims into your country shows competence, I'm afraid you are too far gone to ever see reason. "Compassion" in this case is endangering the western world.
In the real world, we call this "Pathological Altruism".
SYSTEM-J
I'm distinctly unterrified by these cataclysmic developments.
Godking5
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Originally posted by Marcus Summers
You got me, bud. Internet communities are extremely important to me and you've hurt my feelings with your incredible wit.
Yeah, it's wierd. A Web forum full of PLURtards still clinging to their dead genre think I'm trolling.
If you think allowing 1,000,000+ Muslims into your country shows competence, I'm afraid you are too far gone to ever see reason. "Compassion" in this case is endangering the western world.
In the real world, we call this "Pathological Altruism".
I would say region of the world matters more than the religious identification. Mexicans are predominantly christian and yet 1,000,000 crossing the border at once or aggregately(many more than a million have already crossed)) would be perceived as unfavorable.
Both extremes are bad, that is cultural isolation (the favored approach of the far right) is as bad as an open borer policy of multi-culturalism
The EU's open border policy has proven to be a disastor when put to the test. I would say due to a couple of reasons:
1) Taking too many people in during too short a period of time. This prevents cultural assimilation into the dominant western secular culture. Immigrant groups are able to gravitate towards each other in MASS numbers and form their own isolated communities. where they can continue their cultural norms and maintain a high degree of nationalism to their previous country. This occurs in the United States but with a few key differences. One being "scope and size" and two being interconnectedness to the rest of society. Micro communities exist in the U.S, especially in big cities but the ke word is "micro" relative to their surroundings and how they are connected and dispersed within the larger culture as a whole.
2) Shaira law is not caompatiable with the western and as whole , the "modern world" i.e other parts of asia and even latin america. The middle east area and tip of northern africa is a hotbed for extremism which has been seriously exacerbated due to western involvement and destabilization of the area, supported regime changes which has created vacuums of power. Muslim world and muslim in general ( being that it is well on its way to being the worlds most practiced religion) I would say is a 50-50 or 60-40 split between moderates, free thinkers etc. and "other". I consider other to be either islamic extremists or sympathizers (which is very surprisingly a disturbingly high number) .
It is my sincere belief that Europe was hoping to use the influx of people as a way to spur some sectors of the economy with new workers and a new labor force, similar to how mexicans for a time helped insulate the U.S economy during the economic crises by reducing cost of labor ( due to working for below minumum wages) and creating more disposable income for the rest of the economy which would be infused into the economy via consumer spending. (however to the dissatisfaction of the blue collar lower middle class "middle generation" who saw their jobs being taken away)
However due to the large numbers ans inability to culturally assimilate , and lack of vetting, it has become a disaster. However it is still too early to tell, more time is needed to study it.
AlphaStarred
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm distinctly unterrified by these cataclysmic developments.
You don't have to be terrified to be an ignoramous.
SYSTEM-J
Last time we had a discussion about immigrants you swiftly revealed that you knew -all about the subject, so I'd keep zip if I were you.
