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Hello Europeans, how are those muslim immigrants treating you? (pg. 9)
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
Haha, those darn anti-hays. What bigots! |
ing hysterical.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
It's beautifuly ironic that you laud Isreal's acceptable of homosexualilty, when that community is the largest voice against Israeli apartheid and campaign for the Palestinian state. |
I never even said anything about Israel and it's views on homosexuality. :stongue: Try staying on topic. Maybe try answering my questions that I distinctly posted for you? And in case you weren't aware, Israel already proposed a 2-state solution, to which the palestinians rejected. Try again.
Obviously all extremism that leads to violence and intolerance is abominable, but it's only Islam that perpetrates its atrocities worldwide. And it's growing at a rapid rate. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Dj MoRANN is a hay |
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| Serial Killer |
| #HAYLIVESMATTER lol |
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| AlphaStarred |
Islam in a nutshell:
"The largest part of the Trilogy (Islamic texts) is not about how to be a good Muslim. Instead most of the text is devoted to the unbeliever. The Koran devotes 64% of its total words to the unbeliever and the Trilogy, as a whole, devotes 51% of its text to the unbelievers.
"Sharia law has a lot to say about Kafirs (non-Muslims) and how they are to be treated, subjugated and ruled. Sharia claims political supremacy over the [US] Constitution. There is nothing good for non-Muslims in the Sharia...New matters in Islam must be evaluated and judged according to Sharia, the final and universal moral code for all humanity until the end of time.
"Jihad is part of Sharia law. Jihad means war against Kafirs (non-Muslims) to establish Islam's Sharia law.
Koran 4:89 - They would have you become Kafirs like them so you will all be the same. Therefore, do not take any of them as friends until they have abandoned their homes to fight for Allah's cause [jihad]. But if they turn back, find them and kill them wherever they are.
"The whole world must submit to Islam; Kafirs are the enemy simply by not being Muslims. Violence and terror are made sacred by the Koran. Peace comes only with the submission to Islam.
"Political Islam, jihad, is universal and eternal.
[Muslim 001,0031] Mohammed: "I have been ordered to wage war against mankind until they accept that there is no god but Allah and that they believe I am His prophet and accept all revelations spoken through me. When they do these things I will protect their lives and property unless otherwise justified by Sharia, in which case their fate lies in Allah's hands."
[Bukhari 4,52,142] Mohammed: "To battle Kafirs in jihad for even one day is greater than the entire earth and everything on it. A spot in Paradise smaller than your riding crop is greater than the entire earth and everything on it. A day or a night's travel in jihad is greater than the entire world and everything on it."
- from the book, Sharia Law for Non-Muslims |
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| AlphaStarred |
Under Sharia law:
- There is no freedom of religion
- There is no freedom of speech
- There is no freedom of thought
- There is no freedom of artistic expression
- There is no freedom of the press
- There is no equality of peoples - a non-Muslim, a Kafir, is never equal to a Muslim
- There is no equal protection under Sharia for different classes of people. Justice is dualistic, with one set of laws for Muslim males and different laws for women and non-Muslims.
- There are no equal rights for women
- Women can be beaten
- A non-Muslim cannot bear arms
- There is no democracy, since democracy means that a non-Muslim is equal to a Muslim
- Our Constitution (the US) is a man-made document of ignorance, jahiliyah, that must submit to Sharia
- Non-Muslims are dhimmis, third-class citizens
- All governments must be ruled by Sharia Law
- Unlike common law, Sharia is not interpretive, nor can it be changed |
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| Trance-M |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
While most European countries have a lot of a colonial guilt which is part of the basis for an overly politically correct climate, we'll probably see a shift towards a little more discretion on migration in to these countries. |
You know the Barbary pirates? Wiki them. |
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| AlphaStarred |
For the record, let's be clear here. Neither the Torah nor the Bible commands to wage war against "non-believers" and to subjugate and rule over them. That's specific only to Islam. Neither do they consider women to be less equal than men, nor anyone else who isn't of their faith.
So yeah. If you're a peaceful Muslim, I'm cool with dat. But don't tell me you believe in peace and Islam. That's a contradiction. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Most Christian denominations and all Jewish sects women are not allowed to be priests, ministers or rabbis. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jon_Snow
Most Christian denominations and all Jewish sects women are not allowed to be priests, ministers or rabbis. |
That doesn't mean they're less equal - it's a tradition. And in fact, in some modern Jewish sects, there are indeed female rabbis. Nowhere in the Torah do you see any sort of condemnation or belittling of women. In Judaism, women may even be considered more spiritual than men. At one point, God tells Abraham to listen to his wife. According to Jewish law, men are also obligated to please their women whenever the latter want them to. In Islam, it's the exact contrary. What you'll also see is women being equated with camels and slaves.
Oh yeah, there's also this:
[Bukhari 7,62,132] ...Most of those in Hell will be women.
Check out the absurdity in this:
[Bukhari 1,6,301] [Mohammed says to a group of women] ...I have never come across anyone more lacking in intelligence, or ignorant of their religion than women.
They responded, "What exactly are we lacking in intelligence or faith?"
Mohammed said, "Is it not true that the testimony of one man is the equal to the testimony of two women?"
After they affirmed that this was true, Mohammed said, "That illustrates that women are lacking in intelligence. Is it not also true that women may not pray nor fast during their menstrual cycle?" They said that this was also true.
Mohammed then said, "That illustrates that women are lacking in their religion."
The twisted logic here is clearly that since Sharia law stipulates certain (unequal) conditions upon women, they are therefore lacking in intelligence and faith. :nervous: |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Last time we had a discussion about immigrants you swiftly revealed that you knew -all about the subject, so I'd keep zip if I were you. |
The problem with you is that you fail to see the bigger picture here. The latest wave of attacks and harassment against women have been from your beloved refugees. More will likely follow, and I'm sure some jihadis will also slip through, just like during the Paris attacks. And let's not forget about what's going on in Sweden, as per the OP. I guess none of this is an issue for you, as it's only the "extremist minority," eh? As far as the policy on letting the refugees in, I agree with GodKing5. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
Lira, in Muslim countries if you're homosexual, adulterous or an apostate, you're liable for death. |
Actually, the situation is much more complicated than this. Let's pick homosexuality as an example:
The few countries where homosexuality is still punishable by death do happen to be Muslim (Mauritania, Sudan, part of Somalia, part of Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Yemen), but there's no 1-to-1 relationship. Indonesia, for one, doesn't have similar laws, yet it's the country with the largest number of Muslims in the world. And in quite a few countries with Muslim majorities, homosexuality was criminalised during foreign rule such as Pakistan in 1960.
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
There is virtually no freedom of speech (or religion). |
Not only does this depend on the country, I'm not sure this doesn't really set it apart from other religions as much as we'd wish. Freedom of speech only became enshrined in the legal system of Western countries from the 16th century onwards (1689 in England, a century later in France). So freedom of speech elsewhere is the result of political developments that occurred at a much later stage, rather than a consequence of (not) following Islam.
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
I'm aware of The Five Pillars of Islam, but it's not the entirety of the religion. There are plenty of versus in the Quran that incite violence against non-believers and apostates - things, again, which you see to this very day worldwide. |
Like I said, these verses aren't to be taken literally without the proper context. I quoted an author that talks about it in my previous post and he can explain it way better than I possibly could :)
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
If you look at the history of Islam, it's been about bloody conquest and subjugation since day one. If you weren't a "believer," you weren't allowed equal rights in Muslim land. |
Once again, I wish I could say it's this simple: Pillaging was a common way of life for many tribes in the Arab peninsula, a habit that pre-dates Mohammed. Islam just granted Arabs the political unity to be stronger and, instead of focusing on infighting, they spread outwards...
Should global domination be a goal of Islam, you'd see Indonesia, for example, trying to invade Australia or the entirety of Papua New Guinea in order to convert Christians and the like. Besides, it is Catholicism that has "universal" as part of its name, not Islam... So, once again, I'm not sure we can judge Muslims if the argument can cut both ways. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Lira don't encourage him. Don't you have something better to do up in your ivory tower? |
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