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Hello Europeans, how are those muslim immigrants treating you? (pg. 7)
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
The same way followers of other religions ignore similar cals to violence: They read it within a theological framework that explains the context (reason muftis and Muslim clerics alike have told jihadi nutters to cut it out). Muslims themselves can't even agree among themselves on what Islam should be (Sunnis and Shias disagree on quite a lot), so it's hard to say "you can't do X with Islam" as if it were just one thing. Even if you take the Quran, you don't just read a religious text and take it literally because "hey, it's written here!". Or rather, you shouldn't...
Literalism (Islamic or otherwise) is quite recent, having spread from Christian fundamentalism to other Abrahamic religions, possible only because after the Protestant reformation the Bible (rather than the Church) was taken to be an all-knowing arbiter and source of religious truth.
So, no, Islam doesn't command the slaying of all non-believers (if you don't believe me, you can check its five pillars for yourself and see there's no bit that says "Kill off all heretics!" :p), otherwise you'd see a 1.5 billion Muslims waging total war against infidels. Phew! |
Lira, in Muslim countries if you're homosexual, adulterous or an apostate, you're liable for death. There is virtually no freedom of speech (or religion). I'm aware of The Five Pillars of Islam, but it's not the entirety of the religion. There are plenty of versus in the Quran that incite violence against non-believers and apostates - things, again, which you see to this very day worldwide. If you look at the history of Islam, it's been about bloody conquest and subjugation since day one. If you weren't a "believer," you weren't allowed equal rights in Muslim land. |
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| soulstar606 |
One would hope that with the assimliation of new immigrants into a new totally different culture...that the immgrant would learn to adopt the not only the language(most important), but also the ideas and values that led to the emergence of that country as a independent State.
Like in most big cities there's always a China town.. Does China town ever cause the City problems...how does china town get started...because people who speak the same language end up grouping together. Like Language is the most important aspect of Culture....Go visit your local China town..guarantee you will find tons of people who can't even speak the Country's language..ie. English.
But most Chinese are christian or buddhist or nothing......
The difference with Muslims is that it is directly related to Law and State procedure.....being Buddhist doesn't change any laws...but being Muslim does....
Being Jewish doesn't affect any laws but it does affect what you can get away with...like child molestation..in the talmud...it might not say that you can molest children but it doesn take much to pervert the words to let you do that...and there is tons of stories of jewish pedophilia in New York with Rabbis.
The problem is that these cultures are STILL basing modern everyday goings-on on these books that were written thousands of years ago...that is the main problem
We live in a secular world. And we base our rule and law around precedents and it is a living thing.
But i do think that the right to bear arms was a good one that even though it is old...and not popular with some people/..and maybe slightly outdated.....
See its like this....it takes thousands of years of killing and fighting within a like group of people...to nail out documents like magna carta.....And you want to keep those ones....and never change them....because they are like a cyclicle thing in societies...where you have the cycle of tyranny
read
The Cycle of Tyranny, Oppression and Revolution in Animal Farm by George Orwell |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
Lira, in Muslim countries if you're homosexual, adulterous or an apostate, you're liable for death. There is virtually no freedom of speech (or religion). I'm aware of The Five Pillars of Islam, but it's not the entirety of the religion. There are plenty of versus in the Quran that incite violence against non-believers and apostates - things, again, which you see to this very day worldwide. If you look at the history of Islam, it's been about bloody conquest and subjugation since day one. If you weren't a "believer," you weren't allowed equal rights in Muslim land. |
All of the abrahamic religions(especially dont forget the torah) chime similar passages when taken literally. The big problem is relgion period- but since we can't abolish religion - the key is to educated people and empower those who have a more moderate view of the religions to help interpret and spread its word.
As for you, you're parading around in your Israeli flag when your "country" is carpet bombing palestenians and has essentially created an apartheid state. lol
This all sounds reminiscent of hitler saying that the Jews are hoarding all germany's wealth and they should be abolished to the ghettos.
a few depraved refugees out of a whole lot of them isn't justification for all out bigotry. Albeit "Islam" isn't a race, this thread is about "North Africans" which is close to a physiological demographic group.
These people should be dealt with as criminals - be deported or whichever. No reason to start scapegoating an entire 1.6 billion people or a few million north africans because of the actions of a few criminals.
Didn't you learn anything from the holocaust? I'm sure some of your close family either was gased, burned, tortured or held in some sort of unhumane captivity.
The irony.. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
Exactly, but you do see radical Muslims go berserk killing people left and right all in the name of Allah/Islam. |
look at how many Palestinians were killed by Israeli jews - left right and centre in the name of "their holy land"
a land which really they have no historical claim to since it's inception as a Palestinian state.
Compare in total how many jews were killed by Palestinians vs how many Palestinians were killed by jews and you'll see who is actually going "berserk"
Don't forget all the Jewish terrorism that followed during and shortly after world war II in Palestine before the creation of Israel. |
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| Znack |
Is there a reason for all this PC defense of a known gender-discrepant culture?
Of all the things one might find in a cultural clash with the influx of foreign refugees, the gender issues are the most significant. I mean, compared to something like their church rituals are different, or they don't look the same, that pales in comparison to significant issues with men and women interacting so strikingly different socially.
Maybe it's hard for some to believe a male raised to never be able to talk to or see much of women could possibly be sexually perverted by such an upbringing? |
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| trancedanne |
Wow these (muslim) refugees and immigrants are sure as hell raping their way across Europe.
Sweden, Finland, Germany, Austria and Switzerland and more incoming.
Yesterday we learned in Sweden that the police and (most likely) media as well covered up massrapings that happened earlier in the summer because they all looked like Africans.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s.html#comments
Congrats Europe, let the wonderful islamization begin. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
No reason to start scapegoating an entire 1.6 billion people or a few million north africans because of the actions of a few criminals. |
I wasn't. I was criticizing Islam.
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
look at how many Palestinians were killed by Israeli jews - left right and centre in the name of "their holy land" |
Look at who started firing rockets.
| quote: | | a land which really they have no historical claim to since it's inception as a Palestinian state. |
Really? Jews have lived in Israel long before there was such a thing as Islam or "Palestinians."
| quote: | | Compare in total how many jews were killed by Palestinians vs how many Palestinians were killed by jews and you'll see who is actually going "berserk" |
This is a load of crap. If Israel and Gaza had swapped arsenals, I'm sure you know there would be no doubt that Israel would already have been destroyed. Let's not forget how Gaza spent millions of dollars on terror tunnels, without building a single bomb shelter. Shows just how much they want to protect their own.
| quote: | | Don't forget all the Jewish terrorism that followed during and shortly after world war II in Palestine before the creation of Israel. |
Don't forget that your so-called "Palestinians" have no claim to any land whatsoever, as they're mostly immigrants from Jordan. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| The only thing worse than a jew is an ignorant jew with blinders on. Homer jew. |
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| Serial Killer |
So who is opening their homes to the refugees ? how many are you taking in personally ? probably none..... right..
Imagine giving a bag of Skittles to your child/wife/parent,
but that bag contains some pieces that are poisonous...
Would you still give the candy to your loved ones ?
| quote: | | Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay |
dude, this is the 3rd ignorant post you've made in this thread
nobody cares
can't you see that you're irrelevant |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| You can set your watch by Alphastarred re-wording something in the futile hope it will pass for a riposte. "I'm not scapegoating, I'm criticising!" |
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| Alex |
| Yeah, but is he actually wrong? |
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| Godking5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
Don't forget all the Jewish terrorism that followed during and shortly after world war II in Palestine before the creation of Israel. |
A good point was just brought up, the first suicide bombers were jewish terrorists
As far as the war on radical islam goes.....if turkey and saudi arabia are our allies then we are already losing. We need to be much more critical of saudi arabia and how it funds extremists. Interesting as well is how other countries and leaders in the area have attempted to funnel the power of "radical jihad" for their own political agendas such as Assad to only have to backfire in their faces.
P.S I in no way support Islam and I do acknowledge it has a predilection towards extremism ,but i also realize that full on bigotry will exacerbate the situation and has lead to some of the worst atrocities in human history.
The only thing that will save the islamic world is a cultural and economic reanaissance. This is really the only force that moves people alway form fundamentalism , similar to how it moved people away from christian fundamentalism after the dark ages. MAssive income inequality, poor education, poor living conditions and standard predispose a person towards looking for scapegots to justify their situation and religion to give hope. If anyone is familiar with "Terror Management Theory" , I suggest you look into and give it a read |
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