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European Politics Thread: Netherlands, France, Germany, Great Britain, and Narnia 2017 (pg. 3)
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| Trance-M |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
If you look at the scale of what is required to stand a chance, the main culprits are not regular people living their everyday lives, by a long shot, if I'm reading all this information correctly. If you target them mainly it's just not a good precedent nor a smart one. Its weak policy. That's like putting 3 horse and 4 birds in a cage and putting a ting tax on the birds. |
Exactly, 90% of all energy is used by industry.
Everybody just gets the feeling you're really contributing a lot, while in fact it's just very minor.
Awareness is good, but use it in a good way. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-M
Exactly, 90% of all energy is used by industry. |
He's just posted a graph disproving that statistic, so you might want to bring some evidence to the party if you want to keep using it. |
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| planetaryplayer |
| My favourite foreign pornographic film is 'Entering the Whoreient' |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
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I wasn't talking about this Green party, I was just saying in general. Agree to disagree but we both know regular people only do those things because there aren't many alternatives or money invested in developing them. If you get to into taxing people for their McDonalds cheeseburgers and give McDonalds a tax break, you are what's wrong. If you're down with that mentality you are also what's wrong. That's my point.
Edit: if you tax corporation/entity and individual anything less than what would be proportional, respectively, that is douchey scum behavior and counter productive. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Not only do I think that's bollocks, I also it's just the standard simplistic leftist mantra of "Tax the rich/corporations, give poor people a break!", as if that alone is a credible policy. It's got nothing to do with environmentalism, nothing to do with this discussion, and you've ended up agreeing with someone trying to silence the environmentalist cause because they want to get cheaper tax on their car, all because you're too keen to parrot the same repetitive . Worst of all, it encapsulate the one thing I hate about left-wing thought, which is the erasure of personal accountability. Blame big businesses, distant elites, never yourself and your actions.
And before you give me the "real people, real struggles" spiel, let me hit you up on some life experience. When I was dirt poor, I had to choose whether I could afford to buy a bus ticket or whether I needed to walk three miles to buy my weekly groceries and carry them home. If you're actually in the struggling bracket of society, you probably can't afford to drive. So no sympathy for me for these poor impoverished drivers clogging up the concrete arteries of every country. |
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| wotyzoid |
| You sure speak like you know people's circumstances a hell of a lot. a cab driver. Call me simple all you want I was only arguing for proportionality. I'm all for personal responsibility, the problem arises when the "but I'm a job creator" excuse pops up in order to excuse the big guys from paying up. You don't have a problem with that? |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-M
Well, you mean the south of Holland as South Holland (Zuid-Holland) is the province holding The Hague and Rotterdam :) |
Haha, oops :p
The Southern bit of the Netherlands, I mean :D
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-M
Yes it has become Wilders country over here so I guess many are disappointed. But next to liberals (VVD) also still many are democrats, CDA as we, me included, have a farmers background, which is fading though. The closest city, in which I also work, always was very left (SP) but now like in all bigger cities PVV has taken over the first place. So the national outcome does not reflect the votes from Limburg.
But don't forget, PVV is the second biggest party now and many do agree with their ideas, but like in my case just not enough to vote for them. I bet if Erdogan had shut his mouth PVV even would have gotten more votes in the rest of the country.
The Turkish party DENK (Think) got 3 seats. The only positive thing is that many Muslims still did not vote for them. I don't like it when Turks which are born here and when referring to "My president" or even worse "My country" are referring to Erdogan and Turkey.
Compared to Turkey Holland for sure is a much much much much nicer country to live in, so I'm for a one passport policy which would prevent Turks who are born here to vote for Turkey. Force them to choose, than we will see if they really love Turkey as much as they think they do. |
This bothers me a bit in Brazil with a few of the poorly integrated Japanese immigrants, specially when they seem racist towards us (I've overheard stuff like "the Japanese don't lie and Brazilians are cheaters" not just once, which makes me wonder if they have not realised their children are Brazilian :p). Anyway...
I followed this election very closely, and noticed the patchwork of preferences throughout the country, with the PVV making its gains mostly in border regions. One thing I don't get though is this:
If Wilders is the only members of his party, then how exactly does he get 9 seats? Who will "sit" in those seats, exactly? I don't even know how to ask Google this question :p |
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| Lews |
| Oh, wonderful, we're back to Kenny blaming McDonald's for people choosing to eat there. Those damned evil corporations, always forcing people to buy their products! |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-M
Holland already is about the most expensive country to drive a car. To compare, a Ford Mustang 2.3 costs here €55k, in Belgium and Germany €35k. A Mustangs 5.0 costs €112k !!! vs €40k in Belgium and Germany. |
jesus. how do they stop people buying them elsewhere in the zone and bringing them back? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Cow farts. |
actually, burps.
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
If you look at the scale of what is required to stand a chance, the main culprits are not regular people living their everyday lives, by a long shot, if I'm reading all this information correctly. |
who is buying all the beef, electricity and consumer goods if not the "regular people"?
the fact is carbon pricing (for instance) will inevitably impact the consumer (as it should). how is a coal power station more deserving of green tape than all those who benefit from its energy generation? |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
actually, burps.
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Just let me have this one thing. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Just let me have this one thing. |
:stongue: farts it is!! |
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