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European Politics Thread: Netherlands, France, Germany, Great Britain, and Narnia 2017 (pg. 4)
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
how is a coal power station more deserving of green tape than all those who benefit from its energy generation? |
This is very simple. Because they are working for a profit off the backs of all dependent on them. This is why energy programs should be government run with tax payer money just like public transportation. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
This is very simple. Because they are working for a profit off the backs of all dependent on them. |
because a profit motive is somehow less noble than a desire to be warmer in the winter, cooler in the summer, having a preference for avoiding the poor on public transport, or indulging tastebuds with unnecessary quantities of animal products?
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
This is why energy programs should be government run with tax payer money just like public transportation. |
this has nothing to do with what i asked. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
because a profit motive is somehow less noble than a desire to be warmer in the winter, cooler in the summer, having a preference for avoiding the poor on public transport, or indulging tastebuds with unnecessary quantities of animal products? |
On that scale yes. It's about equity. This is why capitalism is linear and doomed from the beginning. Just reason with me. There is a demand for affordable food, you as an entrepreneur have the ability to provide the supply and make a handsome profit but with detrimental costs to the environment, its rosources, and your customer's healths, and there is no legislation to impede you. Society is at this point held ransom to your better angels.
| quote: | | has nothing to do with what i asked. |
It has everything to do with what you asked. The coal mine is deseving of the green tape because its priorities are monetary, if it was publicly funded it would be cyclic. We pay for this energy that we make use of directly without the middle man getting rich off of us. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
On that scale yes. It's about equity. This is why capitalism is linear and doomed from the beginning. Just reason with me. There is a demand for affordable food, you as an entrepreneur have the ability to provide the supply and make a handsome profit but with detrimental costs to the environment, its rosources, and your customer's healths, and there is no legislation to impede you. Society is at this point held ransom to your better angels. |
Society is held ransom the better angels of McDonald's because they produce cheap hamburgers?
Where the do you get your ideas from? |
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| wotyzoid |
| House music and acid, bro, that's where I get my crazy ideas from. |
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| wotyzoid |
| Anime and red tube. Jizz everywhere. I live in filth and and weigh 400 lbs. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
You sure speak like you know people's circumstances a hell of a lot. a cab driver. Call me simple all you want I was only arguing for proportionality. I'm all for personal responsibility, the problem arises when the "but I'm a job creator" excuse pops up in order to excuse the big guys from paying up. You don't have a problem with that? |
It hasn't cropped up. It should be perfectly obvious that I think we should attack this issue from all angles, including targeting big business. But I do not for one second think we should give "normal people" a free pass and only focus on the big boys. Most of what you're saying is, at best, irrelevant. At worst it's badly skewing your understanding and position on this issue. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It hasn't cropped up. It should be perfectly obvious that I think we should attack this issue from all angles, including targeting big business. But I do not for one second think we should give "normal people" a free pass and only focus on the big boys. Most of what you're saying is, at best, irrelevant. At worst it's badly skewing your understanding and position on this issue. |
I never claimed it to be revelant to your situation I was just siding with the sentiment if it was factually accurate because in many instances around the world it is. Im also not for giving regular people a free pass under the current global cirmunstaces, generally speaking. I was just arguing for equity.
Edit: I see where I misspoke. Target civilians for emission taxes proportionately. |
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| Trance-M |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
If Wilders is the only members of his party, then how exactly does he get 9 seats? Who will "sit" in those seats, exactly? I don't even know how to ask Google this question :p |
Very simple, why do you need members? He just gathers people around him who agree with his idea's and are willing to fight for those.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
jesus. how do they stop people buying them elsewhere in the zone and bringing them back? |
Consumer tax is 21%, the other tax is called BPM and is based on CO2 emission. The BPM % gets lower when cars get older. That way it's not worth the effort to buy a new or very young car in a surrounding country as you still need to pay both taxes. It gets more interesting when cars are 3 years or older as the BPM % then drops quickly.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
He's just posted a graph disproving that statistic, so you might want to bring some evidence to the party if you want to keep using it. |
Energy consumption of households is more like 23%.
I'm not sure if traveling to and from work is included. Traveling to and from work is about 27% of the energy consumption of an average office.
GroenLinks wants people to work at home, well, how many people can work at home? Next to that if you're home that will be inefficient especially during winter, so eventually it's nothing more than shifting problems.
They totally like windmills in the sea, only problem is that in 2014 only 5% of the electricity came from windmills which was only 0,7% of the annual energy need. If we scale it to 20% it's still just 2.8% of the annual energy need, so windmills clearly aren't the solution.
They are just dreaming... |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-M
They totally like windmills in the sea, only problem is that in 2014 only 5% of the electricity came from windmills which was only 0,7% of the annual energy need. If we scale it to 20% it's still just 2.8% of the annual energy need, so windmills clearly aren't the solution.
They are just dreaming... |
You're dumber than a bag of hammers, aren't you? |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-M
Very simple, why do you need members? He just gathers people around him who agree with his idea's and are willing to fight for those. |
I couldn't come up with a good reason, so yeah, I guess he has a point :p |
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