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European Politics Thread: Netherlands, France, Germany, Great Britain, and Narnia 2017 (pg. 7)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
No faith in human beings. |
Those pesky human beings seem to be very reluctant to vote for leftist politicians to enact your plans. They seem to prefer voting for things like Donald Trump and Brexit. They very rarely vote for Green parties, and yet you're agreeing with the guy slamming a Green party. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Those pesky human beings seem to be very reluctant to vote for leftist politicians to enact your plans. They seem to prefer voting for things like Donald Trump and Brexit. They very rarely vote for Green parties, and yet you're agreeing with the guy slamming a Green party. |
I'm just tired of seeing this as an 'us vs them' and have learned to look beyond. I've hated republicans and conservatism since high school, I had to move on. |
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| DJ RANN |
Firstly, you australians and you electricity bills. My bill here in Cali was $4k+ a year for a 2bed house, all going to the DWP, a bunch of cvnts that gave themselves endless raises during the worst economic downturn in their history.
As we speak, electricians are wiring my new house and I'm going 100% LED and latest efficiency standards. My Electricity bill os not even go to be $1k this year. Yes, big upfront outlay, but over 5-10 years it pays for itself.
In this respect expensive electricity changes people's behaviour but as building code requires everyone to conform, we're going to reach a point where energy consumption is a fraction of what it used to be and therefore will reduce the deficit between what green energy can supply and what we need.
Two weeks ago, the Cal department of energy released figures that Solar (alone) managed to produce enough energy to meet 50% of the required need here.
So those saying that Green energy can't do it, are living in the past. The only problem is that doesn;t really take in to account the energy or resources required to make and install solar panels and the batteries needed to make them viable.
It's also why Hydrogen powered cars is such a fantastically abhorrent idea.
Solar's not really an option for England (lol) but there's no reason places like africa and south america can't ship their energy surplus. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
I'm just tired of seeing this as an 'us vs them' and have learned to look beyond. I've hated republicans and conservatism since high school, I had to move on. |
Perhaps stop seeing this as 'evil capitalists vs innocent good people' then? |
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| wotyzoid |
| Its just a broken system. Point blank. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Firstly, you australians and you electricity bills. My bill here in Cali was $4k+ a year for a 2bed house, all going to the DWP, a bunch of cvnts that gave themselves endless raises during the worst economic downturn in their history. |
Pff, Australians. According to my provider, my projected electricity bill for 2017 is £778.08, and our flat doesn't even have gas. We use electricity to heat, cook, everything.
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
I'm just tired of seeing this as an 'us vs them' and have learned to look beyond. |
Huh? Who is "them", exactly? You're the one apportioning all the blame (and the solution) onto privatisation and capitalism. I'm saying we hit everyone from every angle we can, big businesses and ordinary people, and if the costs of living go up, tough . |
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| wotyzoid |
| My problem now is with the structure not necessarily with the people that occupy it. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
Its just a broken system. Point blank. |
Oh, well, if you say so. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Huh? Who is "them", exactly? You're the one apportioning all the blame (and the solution) onto privatisation and capitalism. I'm saying we hit everyone from every angle we can, big businesses and ordinary people, and if the costs of living go up, tough . |
The 'them' in context would be the people you said are voting against my ideas. Yes I'd still have faith in them.
But I'm with you, again, with equity. I would just be a lot more radical about it.
edit: If regular people are only directly responsible for x% of co2 emissions and industry is responsible for y% co2 emissions, it is stupidity to tax them anything other than x and y respectively. |
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| Lews |
You do realise that any tax on 'industry' will just be passed down to the 'regular people', yes?
Really, the best thing to do, in my opinion, is to make any tax very clear, in an effort to cut consumption. Have a tax on the people who are using the energy, and put it clearly on their bill, so that they think more about running their AC or Heating. |
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