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| Dumonde Trancer |
most of you havnt noticed but a pop type culture is developing within trance music. lots of peopel have favourite dj's granted, but a lot of people are drawn towards other dj's because of their celebrity status rather than the main thing their music. i mean there music might be good yeah, say for example, armin, plays nice trance. but his productions of late havnt been outstanding, yet everyone who logs into #armind and id-t radio 5 hours before ASOT will deny any form of critique towards them. another example is tiesto, i like the tunes tiesto plays, but when his productions skills were lacking, every tiesto was willing to jump and defend him? his lack of beatmatching ability to this day is still scribbled out for his #1 status.
tiesto is kinda different tho, in holland i think he is as big as a real pop star? im not sure, it seems so that way! pvd is another, great mixing and track selection, his productions arnt anything spedcial, yet they are raved about time and time again. but he has been the main trance "pop star" along with back then oakenfold. you look at mikes productions and matt hardwicks djing, way on par or even above some of the mentioned above, but these are not pop stars so nobody gives a about then right?
the problem i see with this, peopel arnt willing to diversify tastes. and it damages the clubbing cluture a bit coz clubs, a great example wud be crasher, will jsut book these djs time and time again coz all their "followers" will fill the club, leaving other djs out of the loop and making the trance sound more stale and repetitive. also people who see a record or hear a tune thats not by there fave dj or played by them they say its toally crap or whatever, not "its ok" or "its nice but not my style". it doesnt help that most peopel abroad are only ever exposed to big name dj's on tour too.
so there ya go, ill probably get flamed by a bunch of internet clubbers now. gutted. not. just raising awareness of this pop clulture which is growing within the trance scene and wondering what you people think of it.... |
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this is true and it's stupid as hell! i think that being a fan of something all in all i very stupid! the fans can't see anything bad in their idols. wtf is that?? they are just blind/deaf to the fact that their idols aren't god. i mean, i like tiësto, armin, etc. etc. but still if i hear some by them it still is no matter what.
people who say that this tune is good because it's tiësto or because it's played by tiësto are just stupid. that's not what makes tunes good ffs.
the problem with the more unknown artists and djs is, like you said, that no one hears about them that easily. that sucks, but i don't think that there's anything anyone could do about that. it all depends so much on some many things!
i for one don't really care about all the other things about djs and artists. music is the most important thing and it should be that way for everyone! |
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| ASOT100 |
| I agree with both of you but I think part of it is that it's inevitable that bias comes into play when dealing with tastes. When I hear weak tracks by producers I like, I don't listen to em, why would I listen to something that sucks? But sometimes it's easier to overlook non-quality tracks when it's by one of your favorite producers. I cut a track out of ASOT 95 while listening to it again and I had no idea who it was by or what it's name was. Later I find out it's Shane 54 - Vampire :tongue2 . At least now I kno my taste isn't purely based on a bias towards names. |
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| kr00t0n |
*agrees*
And its getting more and more prevelant.
I noticed it really for the first time when someone was commenting on a liveset from PvD.
He had dropped 'BK & Nick Sentience - Flash', and ppl where like, whoah, awesome track (which I think it is), but have been seen saying "Bleh, hard house is shyte, all that uk hard house and hard trance is just fast repetetive noise, etc" but love it is PvD plays it... riiiiiight :rolleyes: |
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| Sand Leaper |
| Yes,DJs are turning into this generation's pop star.Just look @ Tiesto In Concert and the effects it had, or the way people like PvD are treated here on the forum.It's about time that certain people stop looking at certain djs as gods or superstars(FFS,they are just some guys turning up at a party to play some records!!), and start to criticize them to the same degree as every other dj.I won't even get started on those who suddenly start to like a tune that has been slagged off for yonks just cos their fav dj played it.:rolleyes: |
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| Goldenleon |
i agree with you all
these big djs sometimes can get away with anything. i for one if i like a tune i lie it cuz of the music not who it is by. if people continue to sday that production is good (when it really is crap) and never construct critiscism when it is needed then these djs just stsrt to become lazy and dont put the effort in at times cuz they know they are aboig status and will stil lstay on the wagon.
its nice to see gods do the future gods nights where you see these up and coming djs come along and put all there effort in and at times they are faultless. also passion have started a next generation noight starts next month which im looking forwad to seeing.
its nioce gto see the big superstar dj, but not all the time, variety is the spice of life! |
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| Misty Kitty |
inevitable some peeps will lean towards the dj's that they know the best n stick to thier music - which aint a crime.
I just hope that peeps wont limit themselves by doin this. As long as the tunes good, it shouldnt matter who its by or who the dj is jst as long as it floats ur boat. :D |
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| Nell |
i see what your getting at DT, but maybe people want to see a pop-star like DJ!? It is a shame it works that way, but it does, and i have to admit im a sucker for big name DJ's aswell :rolleyes: If someone said who would you rahter see out of Tiesto & Hardwick id go tiesto everytime.
Personally i think DJ's get the crowds based on their productions. if matt hardwick had released tiesto's discog, he would be no.1 dj imo. i however dont even know if hardwick has produced anythign ?! look at the top 10 djs on that list, the majority (apart from the likes of judge jules who got their becuase of his image and Radio 1 peak time presenting) the rest are re-nound for their productions. |
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| Dumonde Trancer |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Sand Leaper .I won't even get started on those who suddenly start to like a tune that has been slagged off for yonks just cos their fav dj played it.:rolleyes: |
yeh this is one of the main things which annoy me!
if you like a tune you like it for what it is and not who plays it!
Nell: i see what you mean, but people often think what people have done in the past or there sheer producion power alone makes them awesome dj's, which is complete bull! |
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| burns |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer
yet everyone who logs into #armind and id-t radio 5 hours before ASOT will deny any form of critique towards them.
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| TranceSeeker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer
most of you havnt noticed but a pop type culture is developing within trance music. lots of peopel have favourite dj's granted, but a lot of people are drawn towards other dj's because of their celebrity status rather than the main thing their music. i mean there music might be good yeah, say for example, armin, plays nice trance. but his productions of late havnt been outstanding, yet everyone who logs into #armind and id-t radio 5 hours before ASOT will deny any form of critique towards them. another example is tiesto, i like the tunes tiesto plays, but when his productions skills were lacking, every tiesto was willing to jump and defend him? his lack of beatmatching ability to this day is still scribbled out for his #1 status.
tiesto is kinda different tho, in holland i think he is as big as a real pop star? im not sure, it seems so that way! pvd is another, great mixing and track selection, his productions arnt anything spedcial, yet they are raved about time and time again. but he has been the main trance "pop star" along with back then oakenfold. you look at mikes productions and matt hardwicks djing, way on par or even above some of the mentioned above, but these are not pop stars so nobody gives a about then right?
the problem i see with this, peopel arnt willing to diversify tastes. and it damages the clubbing cluture a bit coz clubs, a great example wud be crasher, will jsut book these djs time and time again coz all their "followers" will fill the club, leaving other djs out of the loop and making the trance sound more stale and repetitive. also people who see a record or hear a tune thats not by there fave dj or played by them they say its toally crap or whatever, not "its ok" or "its nice but not my style". it doesnt help that most peopel abroad are only ever exposed to big name dj's on tour too.
so there ya go, ill probably get flamed by a bunch of internet clubbers now. gutted. not. just raising awareness of this pop clulture which is growing within the trance scene and wondering what you people think of it.... |
TRUE MATE, that's why there is something else, progressive!
But the hyped up point u made there will always exist, also at the progressive scene, although it's not that worse as it is for trance.
So before bashing on the progheads now, read this thread and u will understand why the change in music...;) |
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| LordTranceaLaut |
as u can see below,, i already vented out my anger regarding this much earlier on the thread "whats wrong with paul van dyk?".....one of our mods is a big culprit in encouraging such behaviour.
Originally posted by Miss Vandit
Thank you Helen, JP, Erratik & Visions - you guys are obviously on the same level and are the reason I stick around on these boards.
xx
My response:
haha this thread makes me laugh ..for all the TA"S on here..the ppl mentioned above are hardcore pvd addicts who grace pvdplanet.tk forum and post everyithng about his life including his bathroom habits...so naturally how can u expect such big -time blind vandit whores to take pvd criticism lightly....hell starfox even creams his pants when pvd plays 4 strings- let it rain (a real nursery rhyme sounding tune imo) just coz it happens ot be part of pvd's mayday set..
as for u miss vandit , u run pvd-clubworld.de, a fan site dedicated to ur god PVD if im not mistaken...so how can I expect that ud have anything worthwhile to say when it comes to weighing his cons against his pros.... just stick to the music and dont get too obsessed with his life...
If pvd ever wanted constructive criticism to better himself,u 4 r the last ppl on this earth he'd ask for an opinion...coz from what ive seen, u blindly follow his religion.. |
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