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Ferry Corsten/Dj Tiesto who is better (pg. 15)
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| bluelimitd |
This thread has gone to . It went to a long time ago. Pick up your pants and leave. It is of no use to the TA society anymore. Aboslutely none......zero. NEXT THREAD.
EDIT: I'm not taking any sides, so don't even start flaming me. This is all immature crap on the whole, and I am probably being immature just to partake and post in this thread, but whatever. Let's clean up and discuss music, on a music forum. |
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| Project T |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancEyes22
yikes this is STILL an issue?! if anything, it is you, mikey mike, ian, and project t that add to this "so called huge ego" of mine...cuz you guys non-stop talk about me! its over with, done. let it GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
hmm, i was trying to keep the peace now you think i'm obsessed with you even though i've already stated my feelings on this 1, right... |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by gibbo
hmmmm i have to disagree here as ferry has always managed to make some quite diverse stuff especially if u listen to his older works and his newer stuff to be out on his forthcoming album should be very interesting as he will be making breakbeat tracks and also tunes in a similar style to punk oh yeh and do u remember insolation and savannah nice chillout tracks but of course we all remember tiesto making tunes like these dont we :rolleyes:. Since i can only have my opinion on the subject my opinion is although ferry makes a lot of tracks to a formula they are all nice to listen to whereas a lot of tiesto's new stuff sucks ballz he is very hit and miss. As far as set depth goes u seen ferry lately he has been varying a lot but unlike tiesto's he actually builds a set not just plays a tunes in a random order that loses interest and direction, of course this is only my opinion u can say tiesto is better if u like but i believe its all blind devotion. |
I've seen Ferry 3 times this year. He was alright, but same ol' stuff as always. Very predictable set structuring and frankly, it got quite boring for me after a while. Same goes for Armin.
He's a great producer, I can't deny that. He has always been a great producer. However, tracks like Ligaya, Spaceman and Indigo are the antithesis of creativity in the trance scene of today. In the other hand, Tiesto keeps reinventing himself and creating stuff that is undeniably much more soulful, deep, and refreshing. Nyana for example evokes the classic epic sound but with a modern twist that goes beyond the hands in the air formula that Ferry keeps exploiting. I sincerely believe that Tiesto's new rework of Barber's Adagio is pure genius, it even defies conventional structure and it is surprisingly very effective. It's light years more layered and complex than Ferry's classic mix. Of course most people are reactionary and will prefer the classic, but as a classical musician I always disliked that Ferry mix because it completely changed the original mood that the piece is supposed to evoke. Tiesto's darker mix finally makes justice to Barber's masterpiece. Another genius track of Tiesto 2003 is the one that was mistakenly labeled as Faithfulness but is actually untitled, very deep and soulful as well. From the Heart is not even half as good.
In terms of DJing, Tiesto takes the cake even further. When Tiesto's on, he's really on. The thing is that his structuring is very unconventional and experimental, therefore most people don't get it. He can't be random at times when he's tired, drunk or distracted; but you've got to admit that the man has real talent. Having witnessed Tiesto in Concert live, I was convinced of this even more. There is a very cohesive structure and rationale behind every mix in TiC, the flow was amazing (in spite of the usual beatmatching problems, which have been present since the early days) and he was really making it happen for 25,000 people that night. Tiesto's reliance on contrasts and in-key mixing makes his structuring as of late harder to swallow, but is nevertheless there and much more complex than Ferry's and Armin's.
Discussing who's better is like discussing what political ideology is better. We won't end anywhere because it all depends on personal values. It all depends on what you're looking for in a dj and producer. I have great respect for Armin and Ferry, but from my perspective of looking at trance as an art form Tiesto is the greatest representative of Dutch trance.
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I wanted to add that some people here need to get a life. I'm in awe at how some of you have disrespected female members of our board. What's wrong with you people? Get some class. You might disagree with them, but calling girls names should not be tolerated. Go masturbate to a Gouryella video or something, release your sexual frustrations elsewhere :o |
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| trancEyes22 |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
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I wanted to add that some people here need to get a life. I'm in awe at how some of you have disrespected female members of our board. What's wrong with you people? Get some class. You might disagree with them, but calling girls names should not be tolerated. Go masturbate to a Gouryella video or something, release your sexual frustrations elsewhere :o |
omigod, there is an actual gentleman on these boards! thank you yaletrance, its rare that people actually stick up for people against these "men." |
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| joeh152 |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
I wanted to add that some people here need to get a life. I'm in awe at how some of you have disrespected female members of our board. What's wrong with you people? Get some class. You might disagree with them, but calling girls names should not be tolerated. Go masturbate to a Gouryella video or something, release your sexual frustrations elsewhere :o |
To be honest, there is something wrong if you think that people should be treated differently just beause they are female.
If someone behaves like a total idiot on a board - it doesnt matter if they are female or not... and by saying that females should be allowed to act this way then you are in fact saying that they are somehow inferior.
Yes i am aware this is just an thread on an internet board - and we shouldnt be arguing - but tranceyes had posted about 8 posts in this thread before she even mentioned ferry or tiesto, so she is clearly not at all interested in the subject of this thread and had just come in to cause trouble.
There have been several threads in which tranceyes has acted this way - and she is has got on the nerves of a lot of people.
To say we have no class is silly - as tranceyes is clearly an Essex girl with an American accent. |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancEyes22
omigod, there is an actual gentleman on these boards! thank you yaletrance, its rare that people actually stick up for people against these "men." |
you're welcome. don't worry, you know these guys are mostly kids who can't get any and have nothing better to do. ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by joeh152
To be honest, there is something wrong if you think that people should be treated differently just beause they are female.
If someone behaves like a total idiot on a board - it doesnt matter if they are female or not... and by saying that females should be allowed to act this way then you are in fact saying that they are somehow inferior.
Yes i am aware this is just an thread on an internet board - and we shouldnt be arguing - but tranceyes had posted about 8 posts in this thread before she even mentioned ferry or tiesto, so she is clearly not at all interested in the subject of this thread and had just come in to cause trouble.
There have been several threads in which tranceyes has acted this way - and she is has got on the nerves of a lot of people.
To say we have no class is silly - as tranceyes is clearly an Essex girl with an American accent. |
well i didn't follow the whole discussion, but i did read some comments where she was called an airhead, dumb blonde who flashed some djs etc. and i really think it's wrong. it's just a thing of common courtesy. if she started it or not, that's completely irrelevant. show some class.
i'm certainly not demanding a Victorian etiquette on TA, lol, but yeah, girls deserve to be treated with more respect than male members of the board. you know why? because girls are an underrepresented minority on TA and we should encourage more female participation. by calling them names based on their gender you're disencouraging other girls who might be lurking around from becoming potential TAs. Personally i would like to see more girls around here, and I know that female trance fans are out there, but they're reluctant to join such a testosterone charged place such as this. |
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| joeh152 |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
you're welcome. don't worry, you know these guys are mostly kids who can't get any and have nothing better to do. ;)
well i didn't follow the whole discussion, but i did read some comments where she was called an airhead, dumb blonde who flashed some djs etc. and i really think it's wrong. it's just a thing of common courtesy. if she started it or not, that's completely irrelevant. show some class.
i'm certainly not demanding a Victorian etiquette on TA, lol, but yeah, girls deserve to be treated with more respect than male members of the board. you know why? because girls are an underrepresented minority on TA and we should encourage more female participation. by calling them names based on their gender you're disencouraging other girls who might be lurking around from becoming potential TAs. Personally i would like to see more girls around here, and I know that female trance fans are out there, but they're reluctant to join such a testosterone charged place such as this. |
I dont really care who started it, but i was just pointing out that nobody was insulting her because of her tastes in music, as it took her about 8 posts to mention tiesto or ferry.
Yes, there are very few females on the board - but everyone is super friendly with the ones on the board and all of them that i have spoken to are very nice people. I dont really see the need to be nice to someone as nasty as her just because she is female. In fact, a few pages back Tranceyes was flamed to a crisp by another female member of the boards.
And yes she does deserve to be insulted with female-specific insults based on her apparence, as previously she has posted pictures of herself - along with posts saying how attractive she believes she is. She basically seems to think that every male member of the board should fall all over her and come to her defence- despite being a total cow. |
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| Ian^ |
the funny thing is she makes us out not to be gentlemen, i'll do a list of ta women who know us and like us...
InAcoma
Sypder
TranceAki
Ves
Nita
Sam
Miki
Now the 2 who don't
Erin (for the last ing time we dont fancy u, get over yourself)
Politics of Danc thing
theres a nice conhesion between this, the 2 who don't like us are dumb yanks who can't get over themselves, the rest who actually know us and don't just think we fancy them cos some DJ touched their ass or rectally probed her.
In Conclusion, it's obvious that we're actually ok if you don't look down on us thinking we want them |
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| dj tek |
Ferry & Tiesto's producing style is totally different so its unfair to compare them and also it has alot to do with personal preference.. but i dont think making a new track [Nyana] using a melodic sample thats already been used on a previous track [Subtle By Design - Sirius] is being very "innovative" and "reinventing" himself like yale trance[Formerly DJ Pio] mentioned...and i dont even understand the concept of remaking\reworking Barber's Adagio at all.. i reallly dont understand why he needed to touch something that doesnt need any tweaking.. all this proves is that tiesto wants the attention[as if he doesnt already !] and wanted "his" version of the classic as well as Ferry's.
if u look @ Ferry's last 2 productions, Punk & Indigo, it doesnt contain any samples he's used in the past.. the melody & the elements in both tracks are very fresh and new.. this, to me is being "innovative" and "reinventing" himself.. so thats my 2cents on their RECENT productions.. its not like im biased as a Ferry fan, if i was then im just being retarded leaning towards "my fav artist" no matter WHAT they do.. Tiesto's "Lethal Industry" and "Flight 643" off his "In My Memory" album were very original and innovative "Nyana" and his remake of "Barber's Adagio" were NOT.. and as far as their DJing ability, here's my review of Tiesto's last performance in NYC for his Nyana tour.. : http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...15&pagenumber=6 |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj tek
Ferry & Tiesto's producing style is totally different so its unfair to compare them and also it has alot to do with personal preference.. but i dont think making a new track [Nyana] using a melodic sample thats already been used on a previous track [Subtle By Design - Sirius] is being very "innovative" and "reinventing" himself like yale trance[Formerly DJ Pio] mentioned...and i dont even understand the concept of remaking\reworking Barber's Adagio at all.. i reallly dont understand why he needed to touch something that doesnt need any tweaking.. all this proves is that tiesto wants the attention[as if he doesnt already !] and wanted "his" version of the classic as well as Ferry's.
if u look @ Ferry's last 2 productions, Punk & Indigo, it doesnt contain any samples he's used in the past.. the melody & the elements in both tracks are very fresh and new.. this, to me is being "innovative" and "reinventing" himself.. so thats my 2cents on their RECENT productions.. its not like im biased as a Ferry fan, if i was then im just being retarded leaning towards "my fav artist" no matter WHAT they do.. Tiesto's "Lethal Industry" and "Flight 643" off his "In My Memory" album were very original and innovative "Nyana" and his remake of "Barber's Adagio" were NOT.. and as far as their DJing ability, here's my review of Tiesto's last performance in NYC for his Nyana tour.. : http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...15&pagenumber=6 |
I already had this discussion with you but here we go again. The true classic is Barber's original Adagio, not Ferry's. Ferry's remix of William Orbit's interpretation was not even played by Tiesto back in the day (at least not that i know of). Production-wise Tiesto's rework is very experimental as far as experimentation in trance goes, there's absolutely nothing formulaic about it. You don't understand why he needed to rework that tune? Well, ask him. He premiered it at TiC and everyone that was there can tell you how effectively euphoric it was.
So Tiesto borrows the melody from Subtle by Design for Nyana, that doesn't mean it's not original. They're both completely different tracks. He's merely quoting that melody, something that is common and well accepted in electronic music since its early days. It's part of the culture and unlike most producers, Tiesto knows how to do it while being original at the same time. |
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| dj tek |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
So Tiesto borrows the melody from Subtle by Design for Nyana, that doesn't mean it's not original. They're both completely different tracks. He's merely quoting that melody, something that is common and well accepted in electronic music since its early days. It's part of the culture and unlike most producers, Tiesto knows how to do it while being original at the same time. |
this doesnt make sense.. if u "borrow" an existing melody from a previous track, that right there destroys the meaning "original" u dont have to tell me about Nyana and how the melody is used, i like the track myself, REGARDLESS of having Sirius's melody.. the point that i made was that compared to Punk & Indigo[which i mention AGAIN that doesnt contain ANY previously released melodic samples] Nyana isnt as original or innovative. |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj tek
this doesnt make sense.. if u "borrow" an existing melody from a previous track, that right there destroys the meaning "original" u dont have to tell me about Nyana and how the melody is used, i like the track myself, REGARDLESS of having Sirius's melody.. the point that i made was that compared to Punk & Indigo[which i mention AGAIN that doesnt contain ANY previously released melodic samples] Nyana isnt as original or innovative. |
it's a quote! face it, after thousands of years of musicmaking there are hardly any tonal melodies left out there. that's why the avant-garde movements of the 20th century led by arnold schoenberg were based on a philosophy (serialism) that rejected melody as the principal drive of music and instead looked for other ways to innovate.
mozart, beethoven, etc. they all quoted melodies from other composers and developed them in their own way. the originality lies in the way you develop a melody and layer the music to express feeling or create an atmposphere. originality does not simply mean coming up with new filters and samples. it's much more than that. Punk was original, Indigo had original samples but that's about it. it's reactionary in terms of structure and layering. |
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