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God or No God? (pg. 5)
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| Jer |
| quote: | Originally posted by ResonantDrag
innocent until proven guilty?
does this mean that you don't actually commit a crime until you're caught?
i don't get it:conf: |
Wow! That's true! Logically, if you are innocent until you are PROVEN guilty, then even if you commit a crime, you are innocent until somebody can PROVE you did it. That's kind of scary! But at the same time, if the judicial system adopted the reverse adage, guilty until proven innocent, that would be much scarier.
Very interesting point!
About whether there is or isn't a God, for me that depends on how you define 'God'. I can't really accept the traditional Judeo/Christian/Islamic definition of an all-powerful being who sits outside of the universe he created and watches over/judges our lives. But, I like to define God as the universe itself, of which we are all a part, and each contribute to the whole in our own way. The universe is where we come from, of what we are composed, where we are, and what we return to when each of our singular lives/times is finished. In that sense, yes, I believe in God. |
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| Jer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stormwalker
Yeah, good post, villus. I recklon that could be about right- without religion, and the belief that if you do something "bad" you'll be punished, people will have to rely on their own set of morals. ...I think we all know what the world would be like - full of wars, killing, all that stuff. It's already bad enough as it is, let alone if (the majority) of people thought that this time on this world was the only one you're ever going to see. :nervous: Doesn't bear thinking about, does it?
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But how can you ignore all the wars throughout history and that continue to this day that are the direct result of religion? The crusades? The 'holy war' against the U.S.?
While all (most) religions preach peace at their core, religion is often used as a reason to inflame the masses into accepting and even participating in murder and brutality that a single person on their own would quail at comitting. I agree with the point made elsewhere in this thread that religion is a form of control. And depending on who is wielding this control, that could be a very bad thing!!
'In every war, both sides believe that god is on their side.' |
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| dancingpixie |
well, imo...there is no god. i personally find it hard to believe because i have asked for guidence, and i recieved no "signs" or help in any way. its hard to believe in something or someone that i've never seen or felt my whole life. so now....i will believe it when i see it. but for the time being, i am a solitary practitioner.
to me religion is just used to give people a reason to do good, so they can go to the so called "heaven". but think about it. think about how many times in history religion has been changed. whos to say that god wasnt just made up.
people are entitled to their own opinions and they can believe in whatever they want, but i honestly think its a load of bull.
:disbelief :thepirate :disbelief :thepirate :disbelief :thepirate :disbelief :thepirate :disbelief |
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| Romain |
villus is right, i don't know what to answer either... where is the "i don't know" button ? coz i really don't know what to answer...
if there's a god, meaning by god a spirit that created universe, i don't think he can changes things in that universe... anyways there may be one, we never know... even if the theory is right, where does this f*****g bit of energy at the origin of the universe come from ? |
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| anuneventrade |
*cracks knuckles* My turn, I suppose.
Whether or not there is a God is an unfair question to ask, because of the many multiple religions out there. It is like asking "Which religion is the right one?" The one you feel in your heart. The one you know is the answer. For each and every person there is a different opinion, a different belief.
But since you asked...
I'm not sure in which religion per say I believe in, but I do have faith/belief/hope there is someone looking out for me. Most people claim that there can be no God because of all the horrible things in their life. Well, suprise suprise, my life has not been peachy keen either, but that doesn't mean I don't believe.
There are a lot of things that contradict themselves in many religions. For example, the years missing in the bible from Jesus' life (18-32, where did it all go?). The fact that asking a question to a priest is practically forbidden, because then the priest becomes under the assumption that you're questioning your faith (which in a way you are) and tells you you need to be saved. Whereas in Judiasm, questions are considered a good thing, because it shows that you want to make yourself more acquainted with your God, more knowledgable. Another thing that irritates me, is that you commit a mortal sin in the christian religion, you say ten hail marys, and you're forgiven. I thought it was a mortal sin?? :rolleyes:
I prefer the religions about peace and equality, loving each other. Finding peace within yourself, within earth, knowing that there is someone almighty who believes in you, who loves you. Its kind of a protective thing. It makes someone feel better about their lives.
Do I believe in God? Yes.
Do I have a religion? Not as of right now. |
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| TranceMuzik02 |
| its a load of **** **** |
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| DarkAngel |
| I believe there is. |
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| sleepydragon |
| no way all crap |
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| Pumaz |
| quote: | Originally posted by tor8024
you are innocent untill proven guilty
there is no god untill proven there is
same principle.. |
That's what I was thinking... |
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| Panzer Attack |
So if there is a god.... Creator of all.
Who created him? where did he come from? |
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| mto |
| I'm not religious but for some reason i believe that God exists. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
The fact that asking a question to a priest is practically forbidden, because then the priest becomes under the assumption that you're questioning your faith (which in a way you are) and tells you you need to be saved. |
I'd like to know where you have seen this, cos my experience with christian environments is nowhere near as harsh and unfair as this. There's a difference between questioning your god (which is a crime according to the bible) and questioning your faith and its rules and regulations (which at least the church here in Norway encourages people to do, christians and non-christians alike).
As for my belief in god or not: I really don't care. I don't need something to believe in, so I'll leave all the existential questions and belief issues to those who do need it. |
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