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To tell the truth, or lie. (pg. 10)
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| davinox |
what if you've smoked pot and your girlfriend hates, hates, hates it?
should you tell her or not? |
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| Mebot |
well it seems like everyone on TA responded on this thread..and some who are still giving advice without realizing that this thread is fake.
so im going to respond too, i think this thread is almost done for now, so i just wanted to jump on the bandwagon |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by GelatinPufF
WTF? 6 PAGES??!?:eyespop: :eyes: :eyespop: :eyes:
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
-Wipes tears from cheeks-
Anyway, this entire thread had one purpose, and one purpose only, and that was to place YOU into a hypothetical situation, where you as a reader were asked to answer 3 relatively simplistic questions.
Did I ever say it was me? No. :rolleyes: Did just about everyone jump to their own idiotic conclusions and presume it was me? Why yes they did. :rolleyes:
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I didn't send the letter! It was my friend! |
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| Shook1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by davinox
what if you've smoked pot and your girlfriend hates, hates, hates it?
should you tell her or not? |
If she likes u that much, not knowing that u smoke, why should it matter if u told her u did smoke. Her love for u will change that much ???? If so, she's fake as sh!t. A real woman will love u for who u are, not what u do!!! |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by m0sh
and if you go to court you lose cuz his word counts more...well that's at least whats going on here. |
Yeah but who's gonna take you to court over a speeding charge. Over here, if they didn't get you on radar, and if you dispute it, they usually try to find something else to charge you with, like one of your indicators being out or something. I think the potential work they would have to do if you dispute the charge (paperwork, going to court etc etc) is just not worth it for them. Better than getting your licence suspended for doing 120 in an 80 zone, if you ask me.
| quote: | :rolleyes:
I couldn't lie to someone I know in his face,I think that who ever does that should die (not really) but this is one of the most ugly things ever.I somtimes lie (white lies) but hardly...I think I lie somtimes just can't remember |
Don't get me wrong I do have morals, I wouldn't lie to the disadvantage of someone I know. And I avoid lying to friends or family unless its an extremely exceptional situation. But if a person I know (not a friend) loses nothing by me lying, and I gain something... then I don't see anything wrong with it. In business and in many proffessions it is advantageous to either lie or, more commonly, not tell the whole truth... that's life. |
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| DigiNut |
I'm sorry I don't have much to add to the original topic; I'm sure I speak for most people when I say that my moral "instincts" say tell the truth, but if I actually picture myself in your situation I think I would lie, at least for a while, if I loved her that much. Either lie or just not say anything - lack of full disclosure is not exactly lying. The truth would humiliate her... the lie harms neither of you.
But I want to say something about all this speeding ticket nonsense and "your word against his."
When you take a speeding ticket to trial, you're not arguing with the cop. At least, not if you're a good lawyer you aren't. You aren't even trying to defend yourself and claim you are innocent (if you're going to go to court over a speeding ticket, do yourself a favour and DON'T take the stand or prepare a defense because it will get you nowhere). You are merely exercising your right to challenge the evidence and see if the prosecution truly has a case beyond reasonable doubt.
And of course the way to do this is to assume that the officer did do his job. That he did tell the truth. What you are arguing is not that he lied to fill a quota - that may be true but the court doesn't care. You aren't putting "your word up against his" because you really aren't putting your word up at all - you're attacking his credibility and the validity of his evidence, i.e.:
- A cop must make a visual estimate of your speed before radaring; did he do it? How is it possible when the range of his radar extends far beyond the range of his vision?
- If he claims to have turned his gun on after seeing your car, then how did he know you were speeding? How accurate can he estimate the speed of a moving vehicle? If he merely noticed that your car was going faster than the other cars, how would that indicate that you were actually going over the limit? Can he demonstrate his judgment by, say, estimating the speed of a falling pencil before it hits the floor (which can be easily calculated mathematically, knowing the height which it is dropped from)?
- Assuming that the first two points are not in dispute, radar is not perfect. It has a wide beamwidth. How does the cop know that his radar didn't catch a car going the other direction? Or maybe one going the same direction but out of visual range (because radar range goes past visual range?)
- Assuming there is still no doubt, then was the radar calibrated? When and how? If he used a tuning fork, how old was the fork, when was the last time it was checked, how did he know it wasn't scratched or damaged? If he just pressed the "test" button then that proves nothing, it merely tests the functionality of the internal circuitry and not the actual calibration.
- How good is the officer's memory? Even if he did his job perfectly, if the trial is 5 months after the ticket was issued and he can barely remember what colour car he ticketed without looking at his notes, then how can he be trusted to give an accurate account of what happened?
Anyway I'm not going to go on and on about that, but I'm trying to say that there is indeed a difference between challenging an accusation and defending oneself. You aren't saying "I didn't speed" - you are simply saying "How can you PROVE that I was speeding, and how do we know that the evidence you obtained was reliable and obtained legally?" The law says you can't be compelled to be a witness against yourself - you don't have to lie in court, and in fact you should not.
So yeah... sorry for the off topic but I think the trial process for speeding tickets (and for everything else) is something that everybody should understand; it's a subtle tax on the people, and if everybody took their tickets to court and prepared a proper case then the entire moneymaking system would break down because it would cost them a fortune to hold all the trials. ;) Besides, what's the worst that can happen, you get convicted, you're still no worse off than you would be if you'd just paid the ticket right away. You can even ask the judge for an extension if you don't have the money up front.
So yeah, fight the tickets! :p
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| smokeape |
I like this pic....
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Anyway I'm not going to go on and on about that, but I'm trying to say that there is indeed a difference between challenging an accusation and defending oneself. You aren't saying "I didn't speed" - you are simply saying "How can you PROVE that I was speeding, and how do we know that the evidence you obtained was reliable and obtained legally?" The law says you can't be compelled to be a witness against yourself - you don't have to lie in court, and in fact you should not. |
I wasn't thinking of a trial situation. I was thinking more along the lines of:
You're doing 90 in a 70 zone a cop on a motorbike (not equipped with radar) pulls you over. He comes up to the car and says "how fast were you going?". Clearly he was riding behind you for a while and knew that you had exceeded the speed limit by at least 15km/h (enough to get your licence suspended if you're on your P-plates). Do you tell him the truth? |
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| andrewk |
| Listen to me you ing . You cheated on your girl your worth trash, your a peice of who doesnt deserve to live. You've been with this girl for 5 years going super steady, and you cheat on her, who do you think you are. Who gives a whether or not your drunk, your responsible for your actions and the consequences, you put yourself in the situation of drinking , you deserve to face the consequences. People like you deserve to die and rot in hell |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by andrewk
Listen to me you ing . You cheated on your girl your worth trash, your a peice of who doesnt deserve to live. You've been with this girl for 5 years going super steady, and you cheat on her, who do you think you are. Who gives a whether or not your drunk, your responsible for your actions and the consequences, you put yourself in the situation of drinking , you deserve to face the consequences. People like you deserve to die and rot in hell |
STFU noob |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by andrewk
Listen to me you ing . You cheated on your girl your worth trash, your a peice of who doesnt deserve to live. You've been with this girl for 5 years going super steady, and you cheat on her, who do you think you are. Who gives a whether or not your drunk, your responsible for your actions and the consequences, you put yourself in the situation of drinking , you deserve to face the consequences. People like you deserve to die and rot in hell |
I just think that's funny. :p |
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