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To tell the truth, or lie. (pg. 11)
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| SuperFarStucker |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
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SFS' first. The word 'tend' is a lot like 'generally'. Cops tend to pull you over when you're speeding. A lie here and there certainly is not a statement of character, or ensures that lies will be told again. Everything is based on the human which the lie pertains to. If you use a lie as an emergency escape from John Q Law's money grubbing hand's then by all means, lie ten times to the cops. :p You should never lie to the ones you love, it's just a mean and unhonest thing to do.
Astroboy, I agree with you, a poker face and a bluff in life can win the pot. :happy2: |
I can agree with your point to an extent, but I'll conjecture everyone lies at times the difference is however the frequency and intensity of the lie. What and who are you attempting to escape if you will. Lying to avoid shady dealings such as speeding violations ` etc. in my mind is a lot different than lying when you have a duty to the public or somebody you care about/know.
I'd say lying does indicate that one would lie again, if the situation again resurfaced with the same factors. Point in case? trafic citations... personally, never had one. The more morally bankrupt an individual is, the more tendency s/he has to lie when it is opportune. |
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| getfoul |
| why are you all yelling at this guy, he posted a good thought topic. and now you all are mad cause you thought he was talking about himself? i dont see the arguement here. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
I wasn't thinking of a trial situation. I was thinking more along the lines of:
You're doing 90 in a 70 zone a cop on a motorbike (not equipped with radar) pulls you over. He comes up to the car and says "how fast were you going?". Clearly he was riding behind you for a while and knew that you had exceeded the speed limit by at least 15km/h (enough to get your licence suspended if you're on your P-plates). Do you tell him the truth? |
As a matter of fact, absolutely not. That is an admission of guilt and can be used against you in a trial situation. If the cop's statement says that you told him "Yes officer, I know I was speeding", you're pretty much ed unless you can REALLY wreck his credibility.
If you absolutely cannot stand lying, or you just want to suck up, then the best answer to "do you know how fast you were going" is "I have no idea officer, could you please tell me what you had me clocked at?" Follow that by thanking them for letting you know and that going that speed could have been dangerous (but DON'T say you were GOING it!). At the very least, it sometimes surprises them and makes them feel important and they'll let you off the hook. But they're just as used to people saying "too fast" as they are to people saying "I was going the speed limit" - if they're going to suspend your license, it really doesn't matter what you say.
Of course, according to one of my friends (who may or may not be reading this), an even better answer is "Before I answer any questions, I'm letting you know that this conversation is being video and audio recorded and I'd like you to acknowledge that." (Of course, this only works if you actually HAVE a recorder). :p |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
As a matter of fact, absolutely not. That is an admission of guilt and can be used against you in a trial situation. If the cop's statement says that you told him "Yes officer, I know I was speeding", you're pretty much ed unless you can REALLY wreck his credibility. |
Precisely! In this case it is best to say you don't know and when he says "you wer going 90", you should maintain "I'm sure i couldn't have been going faster than 72". Thus there is no evidence of the exact speed you were going... only an educated guess by the officer, which would be contested by your own testimony. In this situation the cop knows you will contest the charge and he knows that it is not worth it for a relatively minor traffic offence. Hence you probably won't get booked for exceeding the limit by that much. |
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| JM |
you're a tool. stop posting here.
>JM< |
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| getfoul |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
I wasn't thinking of a trial situation. I was thinking more along the lines of:
You're doing 90 in a 70 zone a cop on a motorbike (not equipped with radar) pulls you over. He comes up to the car and says "how fast were you going?". Clearly he was riding behind you for a while and knew that you had exceeded the speed limit by at least 15km/h (enough to get your licence suspended if you're on your P-plates). Do you tell him the truth? |
bike cops have built in radar and laser, my neighbor was one. |
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| GelatinPufF |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
You should never lie to the ones you love, it's just a mean and unhonest thing to do. |
OMG! Now let's break this statement down and analyze it logically!
So you opinionatedly state that you should "never" lie to the ones you love, as it's a "mean" thing to do.
Never lie now? Oh really? Well, I'll be sure to follow your advice on that one the next time me and my girlfriend have just finished having sex. When she confronts me with the question, "So how good was I?" I will follow your never lie attitude! And point out the fact that she was in fact, loose as a clowns pocket!
Now wasn't telling the truth in this case in fact "A mean thing to do". So no, don't give me this "You should never lie to the ones you love as it’s a mean thing to do" crap.
Not only that, people don't seem to realize that ALL relationships are built around complex plethora of lies and deceit. The only way you can truly learn to accept this statement is to get over the universal belief that lying is always wrong. Well guess what, always telling the truth is wrong and can get you into just as much as lying can.
:eek:Another hypothetical::eek:
You and your wife are enjoying a eloquent breakfast together one morning. Suddenly, you hear a knock on the front door, and she enthusiastically gets up, and goes to see who it is. Opening the door, she is startled to find a large angry looking man wielding a sawn off shotgun. He then asks "Is *insert your name here* home?" Startled and fearing for your life, should she *drums rolls* tell the truth, or lie? :rolleyes: |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by GelatinPufF
loose as a clowns pocket! |
LMAO!!! That's a keeper!:stongue: |
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| Nabistai |
| quote: | Originally posted by GelatinPufF
Never lie now? Oh really? Well, I'll be sure to follow your advice on that one the next time me and my girlfriend have just finished having sex. When she confronts me with the question, "So how good was I?" I will follow your never lie attitude! And point out the fact that she was in fact, loose as a clowns pocket!
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So you'd rather NOT say that se sucks in bed and continue to have sucky sex, indtead of saying that she sucks and try and solve the sucky sex together? |
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| Mrs.Spice |
| quote: | Originally posted by GelatinPufF
You’re in a relationship with the greatest girl in the world *Natalie*. 2 years go by, 5 years go by. You love her to absolute DEATH and she’s the best thing that has ever happened to you. You spend every day and night together thinking about each other, and you vowel to each other that you'll never do anything to hurt one another.
One night at party tho, you get trashed and do it with someone who you wouldn’t piss on if they were on fire. However, you love *Natalie* so much that you don't want to hurt her, knowing that it was a one time thing and the biggest mistake you've ever made, especially after voweling to her that you'll never hurt her. You know that if she found out, not only her world, but your world would be completely and utterly ing shattered.
So do you keep it from her, and lie (not that lieing is always a bad thing), or tell her the truth?
If someone did this to you, what would you want them to do?
Would you forgive them if it was truly the biggest mistake of their life and dearly loved them? |
You wouldn't someone else if you were in love with someone. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mrs.Spice
You wouldn't someone else if you were in love with someone. |
Sure you would. When someone is seducing you, resistance is a matter of willpower, not commitment. People who'd do this when they're sober just have no willpower, but when someone is drunk, they have their guard down, and they're easier to take advantage of. They're slave to their instincts.
Having said that, I'm not condoning that kind of behaviour; the people who do those things are weak-willed (or weak-minded, whatever you want to call it). But don't confuse weak-mindedness with a lack of devotion, lack of feeling, or lack of respect. It's the same result in the end if you get caught, but that doesn't make it the exact same thing. |
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| igottaknow |
Ok i'll admit ive cheated many times in the past...
Not in a relationship but a on a diet! :eek: Who hasn't snuck down late at night after every one has gone to bed to get that last lonely piece of cheese cake calling your name. :happy2:
I still love my figure but I guess I'm weak minded. Come to think of it alcohol wasnt even involved (the shame). :haha: |
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