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Todd Bertuzzi (pg. 2)
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alccode
Tell that to Moore's mother, or his wife, or children (if applicable).
"Risks"? You make it sound so ... ho-hum.
Right, I'm sure that hockey players (especially rookies!) go out on the ice thinking, "OK, I may or may not be punched in the back of the head and have my face driven into the ice, suffer a concussion and a broken neck, then be in a hospital for the rest of the season! How exhilarating!"
No. This is not an acceptable "risk" in hockey. This was a brutal display of violence that has NO place in ANY sport, even the "rougher" sports like hockey.
It's not that those that protest against hockey's violence are "wussies", it's simply that they are shocked and appalled by the senseless and brutal violence.
Incidents like these make hockey seem more like a gladiator's match to the death, instead of any kind of "sportsmanlike" enterprise.
My $0.02. |
and these things only happen in hockey? wether u like it or not happens..ppl get aggravated in every sport and things like this happen....its not the first time its happen in hockey no but its not like like this doesnt happen in baseball or football or even sometimes basketball..like cmon happens live with it...it sux what happens but u cant go start taking shots at the sport just because of a in incident |
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| wienerschnitzel |
| the guy's a dumbass for dishing out such a cheap shot. |
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| Omegasox |
It was a cheap shot, and he should be suspended for the entire playoffs, but this is getting way blown out of proportion. The worst part about the whole thing is that it was pre-meditated.
If Moore wasn't injured as bad as he was this wouldn't have gotten so much attention. The fact that Bertuzzi has shown remorse makes all the difference for me. He could come out and say Moore deserved it, but his intention was obviously not to seriously injure him. |
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| Z1D |
Moore's hit on Naslund was barely even a questionably cheap hit in my opinion. Naslund had his head down in the neutral zone and Moore stood him up. Moore's elbow was basically at his side, just that Naslunds head was low enough that it look like he got elbowed. On top of that, Naslunds visor did most of the damage to his head on that hit.
Bertuzzi's shot on the other, was a nasty nasty affair. I haven't seen the replay yet so I dont know if falling on him was intentional or not, but the sucker punch alone should warrant at least 10 games. The fact that he broke the poor guys neck should make them suspend Bertuzzi for the rest of the season, playoffs included, whether it was intentional or not. That said I don't think this really warrants a criminal investigation. |
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| dj-sean |
| quote: | He may have use of his arms and legs, but he cant be transported out of Van much less 'whine' about it as you put it|
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I was referring to tota's comments about Naslund being a "crybaby". Naslund didn't whine or cry about the hit, so I don't know where that came from; it was the other players that were outraged.
One thing I think is certain though, if the league took out the instigator penalty brookbank would have been on the ice right after the Naslund hit pounding Moore's face in, and that would have settled matters right then and there.
As for Bertuzzi... may as well just wait until 9am EST tomorrow and find out! My prediction is 12 games (ie. rest of regular season), though I wouldn't be surprised if the playoffs are included along with it. |
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| BTG |
| i think the player jumping on bertuzzi after he went down with the guy he hit, was what broke the guys neck. maybe thats just me. |
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| dj-sean |
| The four player dog-pile on top of Moore certainly didn't help matters, hehe. |
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| pyro |
| dj-sean pretty much summed up my thoughts about the whole situation. things got outa hand, it was going on throughout the whole game and things went bad. the public was cheering for fights and then when it goes bad 3/4 of them turn their back and start complaining. them. and the media for saying how the whole thing was premediated! BS! |
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| zarathustra |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
he is done for the 2004 season...that a given
the hit that nailed naslund was legal....the league needs to tell it's superstars...keep your ing head up |
Have you even seen the hit TTA?
When you say that Naslund had his head down, you make it seem like he was pulling a Lindros and cutting across the middle of the ice. Naslund was falling while reaching for the puck when Moore clocked him. The main point here is that you just don't go for the head, ever. What happens when a player gets his stick up by accident and clips someone on the chin? He gets a penalty. To me this is the same as with the Naslund hit.
As for Bertuzzi, like dj-sean said, the precedant is twelve games. I don't see why it should be any different here. |
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| torontotrance |
| the idiot had his head down and in the neutral zone. It was a "LEGAL HIT"...the nhl did not suspend him. See the difference is that he stood up for himself and was prepared to be accountable for his actions. See bertuzzi hit the guy from behind (he is cdn...he knows you settle on ice hockey scores face to face) not hitting a guy from behind. |
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| dj-sean |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
the idiot had his head down and in the neutral zone. |
You obviously did not watch anything other than a 2 second clip of this hit, so I'll forgive you for this idiotic statement. Naslund's head was down because he lost his balance and was in the process of falling. The puck was about 6 feet out of his reach, and instead of easily bypassing him Moore leaned the other direction in order to hit Naslund while he was falling, leading to a Naslund concussion. He was not finishing his check or anything of the sort, he was going out of his way to hit Naslund as soon as he saw him become vulnerable. I'm not going to argue that that was nearly as bad at what Bertuzzi did, but it certainly was enough to warrant Moore getting his ing ass handed to him right after it happened, and that's what would have happened had the ridiculous Instigator rule not existed. Payback was due for Moore, but that should have come in the form of a devastating clean hit or a fight with a guy like Brookbank; Bertuzzi shouldn't have even figured into the picture.
Was good to see Bertuzzi apologize tonight; the man is obviously very distraught, as he should be. I'd like to revise my initial 12 game prediction to be the rest of the season + playoffs; not because I feel he deserves it, but because of the way the media has crucified him and sensationalized the hit it leaves the NHL with pretty much no other option. |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by BTG
i think the player jumping on bertuzzi after he went down with the guy he hit, was what broke the guys neck. maybe thats just me. |
I was thinking that too after seeing the replays. |
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