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Todd Bertuzzi (pg. 6)
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| CraveTheRave |
Wow, I'm agreeing with a Torontonian ;) BTW, I hate the Leafs too hahaha.
Funny how our arguments coincide with each other with 2 min of each others posts hehhe. |
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| torontotrance |
actually it is consistent with the league punishment
matt johnson attacked jeff bookaboom with a sucker punch (he got 12 games)...league says they ed that up..so that's the rest of the season...plus the neck issue...playoffs + maybe next year a bit
last time this happened..the guy got a year.....an entire calender year....so in my view bertuzzi got off lightly |
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| CraveTheRave |
| Like I said, it comes down to being a Canuck fan or not. Either way, Bertuzzi got what he got, but I feel he deserves a hell of a lot more. |
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| dj-sean |
| quote: | Originally posted by CraveTheRave
Like I said in my previous post. McSorley wacked Brashear on the head yes, but only once. He didn't try to keep slashing him when he was down. Neither did Domi or Johnson with thier incidents. Bertuzzi suckerpunched Moore, then drove his head into the ice... what did he expect to do with that action?? And then, he tried to continue beating on him. About Bertuzzi's apology clearing up his intent... what is he supposed to say if he really was trying to break his neck or really injure him?? Of course he had to say that one way or the other. As far as the injury goes, a fractured neck is a fractured neck. Just because he doesn't have to wheel his way around for the rest of his life does not mean that Bertuzzi should have a reprieve on the injury. |
Are you kidding me? Just because McSorley only swung his stick as though it was a baseball bat once it's not as bad as bertuzzi throwing multiple punches? , if McSorley had kept swinging his stick he would have been charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Tuzzi tripped over his stick after throwing the first punch and that's why they both went to the ice. , I think the fact that Bertuzzi kept throwing punches goes to show that he was not expecting to demolish Moore that easily. As Burke said this cannot be compared to a stick infraction in the slightest, it's still bad and awful that this happened but , it's not even in the same goddamn league as what McSorley did. What Bertuzzi did is really bad, yes, but the league's ruling is only this severe thanks to the media scrutiny it has received; the canucks will be appealing it.
| quote: | | And I think they considered Bertuzzi's past, or rather they should have if they didn't. This is a guy who jumped off a bench before to get into a fight... cost him 10 games. So this is the second time that he's jumped somebody from behind now. That should be the only precedent considered in this ruling. |
What the hell? I completely 100% disagree with that. The ruling was for this one incident only, it was not a bloody trial against Bertuzzi for his previous actions as a player.
Anyways, the dead horse is getting beaten here and I'm late for class. Was nice chatting :haha: |
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| CraveTheRave |
I didn't want to respond to this thread yesterday bc I knew this was what it would turn to. It's 2 different groups of ppl with different opinions, which neither group wants to give in. I see him driving his head into the ice, not tripping over his stick. I see him continuing to beat him as someone who wanted to really hurt somebody, not just trying to inflict a little bit of pain.
I honestly don't think the media had a lot to do with it. Look at the facts... Bertuzzi basically mugged someone on the ice. He broke a guy's neck. He stalked a guy from behind and jumped him. If it was for retaliation, he already fought May. And even Naslund said there shouldn't be retribution. So it was just a gutless puke like Bertuzzi who couldn't take his team getting hammered to the wall, who couldn't get someone smaller than him to fight him bc he fought already, so he decided to knock him out anyway. Sick sick sick. I hope he gets at least another couple of months worth of games next year. To be honest, I think he should get suspended for all the playoffs next year too. Not the season, but for the playoffs if the Canucks make it in. Why reward someone a chance to win a ring if he does something like he did? |
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| occrider |
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Sadowski: Naslund's take: Give peace a chance
February 20, 2004
Finally, a voice of reason has been raised in Vancouver, where Colorado Avalanche forward Steve Moore is being labeled Public Enemy No. 1 for his hit on Canucks All-Star left wing Markus Naslund in Monday's game at the Pepsi Center.
Moore is no thug, and while some members of the Vancouver media continue to paint him as a villain whose hit was either "vicious," "ruthless" or "reckless" (or maybe all three), Nas-
lund is staying above the fray even though he will be sidelined for at least a week because of a concussion.
After returning to Vancouver and seeing replays, Naslund told reporters he didn't think the play was dirty and he would prefer that his teammates concentrate on trying to beat the Avalanche when the clubs meet next month rather than attempt to beat up Moore.
Naslund's call for restraint is in sharp contrast to teammate Brad May's assertion that a "bounty" has been placed on the rookie's head. Todd Bertuzzi, who is Naslund's linemate, said of Moore: "No way that punk will be in their lineup in March."
Naslund appreciates the support, but he isn't seeking retribution.
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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/dr...2668661,00.html
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Wow he sure called that one :rolleyes: |
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| CraveTheRave |
| And one more thing on his apology... why I said it really doesn't mean crap is because he said he's not that type of player. Problem is, he is that type of player. He is a dirty dirty piece of crap. He's jumped ppl from behind before and he did so again... that apology looked half-sincere, but it was your basic apology. Would anyone actually expect him to say: "Yeah, I was getting him back for what he did to Naslund, despite the fact he fought already. He didn't want to go, but I didn't care if he wanted to or not. I wanted to hurt him. I wanted to injure him. So that's what I did." Of course not. Bottom line is, apology was needed, apology was required, apology was given. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't feel any differently towards Bertuzzi than before his press conference to after it. |
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| USMC_Greg |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
pathetic gutless display...hitting a guy from behind with a sucker punch..he is a canadian..he knows you settle it man to man without the cheap shots...lamer
give him a year suspension tbh
naslund is a crybaby...had his head down and got hit..nothing new in hockey....have your head down..you get HIT!...and usually injured and the hit was legal...so all the canucks fans can SHUT IT! |
Bertuzzi tried to get Moore to fight, but the gutless puke was too scared. If Moore had dropped the gloves like a man, this whole mess would have been avoided. But Moore takes cheap shots at star players, and doesn't want to pay the price for it. Moore brought this on himself.
I guarantee you that the only reason that Bertuzzi got the punishment that he did is because of the severity of the injuries. Burtuzzi didn't mean to break his neck... he just wanted to pound his face in.
Edit: I'm not even a Vancouver fan, nor do I hate the Avalanche. I played competitive hockey all my life, and I know both the 'rules' and the 'honour code' in the game. Not standing up to Bertuzzi was as gutless as Bertuzzi hitting Moore from behind. |
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| CraveTheRave |
| quote: | Originally posted by USMC_Greg
Bertuzzi tried to get Moore to fight, but the gutless puke was too scared. If Moore had dropped the gloves like a man, this whole mess would have been avoided. But Moore takes cheap shots at star players, and doesn't want to pay the price for it. Moore brought this on himself.
I guarantee you that the only reason that Bertuzzi got the punishment that he did is because of the severity of the injuries. Burtuzzi didn't mean to break his neck... he just wanted to pound his face in.
Edit: I'm not even a Vancouver fan, nor do I hate the Avalanche. I played competitive hockey all my life, and I know both the 'rules' and the 'honour code' in the game. Not standing up to Bertuzzi was as gutless as Bertuzzi hitting Moore from behind. |
Why would he have to fight again after he already fought the Canucks enforcer in Brad May?? That part was done. And just because Moore didn't want to fight, it gives Bertuzzi the right to suckerpunch him?? |
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| dj-sean |
Okay would you PLEASE stop saying that Bertuzzi "broke his neck"? It was a minor fracture, that is all. The way everyone makes it sound is as though Moore is a ing quadraplegic now.
And btw, he didn't fight Brad May, he fought our 5'9 Matt Cooke, who is a pest but nothing near an enforcer. While I agree with most of what Greg said, all I'm concerned about is the inconsistency of the suspension to previous attacks of this calibre, nothing else. |
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| CraveTheRave |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj-sean
Okay would you PLEASE stop saying that Bertuzzi "broke his neck"? It was a minor fracture, that is all. The way everyone makes it sound is as though Moore is a ing quadraplegic now.
And btw, he didn't fight Brad May, he fought our 5'9 Matt Cooke, who is a pest but nothing near an enforcer. While I agree with most of what Greg said, all I'm concerned about is the inconsistency of the suspension to previous attacks of this calibre, nothing else. |
Ok, he stalked and jumped a guy and FRACTURED his neck. Plain and simple. He had the intent to injure him and he accomplished his mission. Differing opinions and nobody will give in. Simple as that.
And a fight is a fight. He dealt with a Canuck who was lookin for "retribution" and fought him already. That was a dead issue. But not according to Cheapass Bertuzzi, I guess. |
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