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| igottaknow |
| wow we all agree that Bush should have finished the job in Afghanistan instead of using 9/11 as an excuse to invade iraq under false pretense of wmds and terrorism. |
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
wow we all agree that we should have finished the job in Afghanistan instead of using 9/11 as an excuse to invade iraq under false pretense of wmds and terrorism. |
Yea- Funny that- I guess the more appropriate question is who doesnt agree we should have finished the job there? |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
wow we all agree that Bush should have finished the job in Afghanistan instead of using 9/11 as an excuse to invade iraq under false pretense of wmds and terrorism. |
I don't think he necessarily used 9/11 as a pretense to invade Iraq, more like the generosity of the world towards America after 9/11 made it easier to invade Iraq as well as the threat of global terrorism, which just became more evident after 9/11. Countries at first didn't want to be seen as the "bad guys".
It reminds me of people who don't care about diseases like cancer but as soon as cancer hits their loved ones they do everything in their power afterwards to combat cancer for everyone. You need help to combat cancer but you can try to do it alone; many people will think you're crazy but you know that it is a battle that has to be won in the end or it will keep killing innocent people. |
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| Galapidate |
Some of my comments from Day (or Night) One:
-9/11 was used a little too much, and I anticipate the response from 9/11 families who saw how they abused it in their convention.
-Guiliani's speech was horrible and had some of the most asinine remarks I have ever heard in a political speech.
-McCain's speech IMHO wasn't that impressive. I agree with those of you who say the DNC had much more brilliant and convincing speakers. Both McCain and Guiliani bored me after awhile. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Galapidate
Some of my comments from Day (or Night) One:
-9/11 was used a little too much, and I anticipate the response from 9/11 families who saw how they abused it in their convention.
-Guiliani's speech was horrible and had some of the most asinine remarks I have ever heard in a political speech.
-McCain's speech IMHO wasn't that impressive. I agree with those of you who say the DNC had much more brilliant and convincing speakers. Both McCain and Guiliani bored me after awhile. |
Eh, Guiliani wasn't that bad, and for the most part McCain was alright as well. I found it somewhat funny that the loudest roar in McCain's speech was his snipe at Michael Moore. In case you conservatives didn't know this, let me give you a little heads up - attack Moore to your heart's content. It does little damage to the majority of the Left's image and actual issues that they want to address. You want to villainize far lefties like Moore, by all means here's some darts to throw. In fact, one might surmise that this might have been Moore's "evil" plot all along - take the heat from you guys.
Still, I gotta give Moore a slight amount of credit for walking and staying in the lion's den like that.
I also agree that 9/11 was overplayed a bit, but today is supposed to be the return of "compassionate" in the conservativism with Laura Stephord Bush, Bill Frist, and Aaaanold "The Terminator" Schwarzenegger.:D
I actually anticipate the new guy speaking, the one that's supposed to be the Conservative counterpart to Barrack Obama (no, I'm not referring to Allen slimeball Keyes - no way in hell would they allow him to speak). Anyways, it certainly is an interesting week. |
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| Galapidate |
I found it funny that Michael Moore was INSIDE the RNC last night and laughed when he got the rant.
Well, I guess they were correct in using Aaahnold tonight, so he can "reach out to women" voters as the aim of tonight suggests ;D |
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| discojoe |
I like Guliani. He seems like a really competant leader. I would vote for him or McCain (sp?) if i were american and they ran. I hope Guiliani makes a run one day. Bush on the other hand.... :sadgreen:
I like both of them because i have felt they put principal before party. Although last night surprised me a little. All i heard was bush bush bush. Kind of dissapointed with both of them. As much as i disliked his speach, Guiliani is a fantastic orator. Very well spoken and very comfortable in front of people. And while I think McCain's speach was well put together, i thought it was kind of boring. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by discojoe
I like Guliani. He seems like a really competant leader. |
The funny thing is b4 9/11 he wasn't well liked just ask any New Yorker what they think of him, you might be surprised what they would say. True he's good speaker and knows how to act genuine. |
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| xKaoSx |
Arnold has started posting signs
http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/ne...c=uptotheminute
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/union...s_1n31oops.html
NEW YORK CITY – For California delegates who may not have anticipated the steamy weather at this week's Republican National Convention, state party workers were kind enough to include a couple short-sleeved shirts in complimentary tote bags.
Not surprisingly, one of the shirts carries a political message – vote yes on Proposition 70. Also tucked inside was a glossy, four-page brochure on the November ballot measure that would permit unlimited expansion of California's $6 billion Indian gambling industry.
The promotional material struck some delegates as more than a little odd considering the state's Republican leader, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, has declared war on Proposition 70 and appears to be in a chilly standoff with the measure's sponsor, the Agua Caliente band of Palm Springs.
The state party also is formally opposed to the initiative, which would allow tribes to void lucrative new gambling agreements, or compacts, that Schwarzenegger just negotiated.
Those deals promise the state $1 billion up front, plus continuing revenue of as much as $200 million a year. As such, they are a critical piece of Schwarzenegger's long-range plan to close a chronic, multibillion-dollar budget deficit.
Former Gov. Pete Wilson was among those taken aback by the tribe's move.
"It may be appropriate for various commercial ventures to act as sponsors . . . but the question regarding Proposition 70 is a different matter," said Wilson, who is close to the Schwarzenegger administration.
A spokesman for Schwarzenegger's anti-70 campaign was a bit more direct.
"Everyone knows when you come to conventions like this, you get gift bags filled with crap," spokesman Todd Harris said. "This is no exception."
The San Manuel Band of San Bernardino County already has donated $10 million in support of Proposition 70. With other flush gaming tribes expected to join the fight, it could be one of the toughest political battles Schwarzenegger faces this fall.
With its T-shirts and brochures, Agua Caliente delivered its message directly to many of the state's most prominent Republicans, including local activists influential with the party's grass roots.
At the delegation's request, the tribe agreed to pay for the tote bags, said Gene Raper, Agua Caliente's political strategist. The tribe also provided the T-shirts and brochures and merely asked that they be included.
"They were happy to do it," Raper said. "Just like the protesters across the street, we have the right to ask people to support our initiative. Anyone who's offended by that should not worry so hard about things."
As Raper described the T-shirt, emblazoned with a picture of former President Ronald Reagan and a memorable Reagan tribute to tribes, a delegate walked through the lobby of the delegation's hotel wearing one.
California GOP Chairman Duf Sundheim said he was aware the Proposition 70 material had been distributed to delegates but said the decision was made by the delegation under Chairman Gerald Parsky.
"The delegation has the right to do what they want to do," Sundheim said. "The party has taken a position of no on 70."
Sundheim declined to comment on whether the move was appropriate or something he would have done.
Parsky could not be reached for comment. Others were not particularly disturbed by the mixed messages.
"As someone who just lived through a brief but spirited debate about Indian casinos . . . we shouldn't be afraid of a little information," said Garden Grove City Councilman Mark Leyes, whose city has been courting the Mesa Grande tribe of San Diego County. "It hasn't changed my opinion on the thing. I'm opposed."
Proposition 70 would give tribes the option to seek 99-year compacts authorizing unlimited gambling if they agree to pay the state's 8.84 percent corporate income tax. A rival measure, Proposition 68, asks gaming tribes to pay 25 percent of slot revenues to the state. If any tribe refuses, 16 card clubs and racetracks bankrolling the measure would receive 30,000 slot machines. Schwarzenegger has vowed to defeat both initiatives. |
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| xKaoSx |
Here comes the flop...
By Scott Lindlaw
ASSOCIATED PRESS
2:20 p.m. August 31, 2004
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – President Bush said repeatedly on Tuesday that the United States will win its war against terrorism, trying to contain political damage from the doubt he expressed a day earlier.
"We may never sit down at a peace table, but make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win," Bush told 6,500 veterans at an American Legion convention.
"We will win by staying on the offensive, we will win by spreading liberty," Bush told the veterans.
The president was trying to douse the criticism he touched off Monday when NBC aired an interview in which he was asked if the United States could win the war on terror and he answered, "I don't think you can win it."
He added, in the interview, "I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world."
Democrats hit hard at Bush's comment for a second day.
"The president has gone from mission accomplished to mission miscalculated to mission impossible on the war on terror," said Phil Singer, a spokesman for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry.
"George Bush might be able to read a speech saying we can win the war on terror, but as we saw (Monday), he's clearly got real doubts about his ability to do so, and with good reason."
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., campaigning through Tennessee at Bush's side, saw no problem.
"What he meant was, we're never going to have a peace signing on the Missouri, we're never going to have a signing at Panmunjom," McCain said.
McCain was referring to the battleship where the Japanese signed surrender papers that ended World War II, and the "truce village" where adversaries met to sign the armistice that halted the Korean War.
Bush himself said in a radio interview with talk show host Rush Limbaugh, "I probably needed to be more articulate."
The anti-terrorism campaign dominated Bush's travels through Tennessee, Iowa and Pennsylvania on Tuesday, just as they dominated the Republican National Convention where he will accept the party's nomination for a second term in New York City Thursday night.
Bush planned to visit firefighters and supporters in New York Wednesday night.
On the campaign trail, Bush defended his decision to make the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks the centerpiece of his re-election effort.
"Sept. 11 is a defining moment in our history, and it's certainly a defining moment in my presidency, and the question is whether or not we learned the lessons," Bush told Limbaugh.
The president added a new warning: "One of the most dangerous parts of this new war is that if the enemy were ever to acquire the capacity to use a weapon of mass destruction it would make Sept. 11 – it would pale in comparison."
Bush's speech to the American Legion came in his 10th trip to Tennessee and marked his latest attempt to court the millions of U.S. veterans.
Democrat Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, has emphasized his military service in the Vietnam War, and he was to speak to the Legionnaires on Wednesday.
Several veterans said in interviews here that they favored Bush, who served in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam years.
"Right now I believe the captain of the ship is guiding us and I don't feel we should change captains in the middle of a war," said Delfo Barabani, an American Legion member from Chicopee, Mass. Barabani said he believed Kerry had gone to Vietnam to lay the groundwork for his future political career.
The president told the veterans what many of them most wanted to hear: that he supports a constitutional amendment "to protect the flag from desecration." The group listed the issue at the top of its legislative priorities.
"Our fighting men and women are serving America under a proud flag, and that flag should be cherished and protected," Bush said, drawing his longest, loudest ovation.
From Tennessee, Bush flew to Alleman, Iowa – his 15th trip to the state he lost in 2000 – where his re-election campaign staged a rally near the annual Farm Progress Show.
Then he was off to Pennsylvania, another state he lost four years ago, for the 33rd time of his presidency – for a late-night "family-style picnic." While there, Bush was making his first "appearance" at the New York convention. Using a videoconference device, he was introducing wife Laura for her speech to the delegates. |
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| discojoe |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
The funny thing is b4 9/11 he wasn't well liked just ask any New Yorker what they think of him, you might be surprised what they would say. True he's good speaker and knows how to act genuine. |
really? i always thought he was very well liked in new york. well before 9/11. wasnt he even re-elected before 9/11. Any other new yorkers have an OBJECTIVE opinion on him? |
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| discojoe |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
Here comes the flop...
By Scott Lindlaw
ASSOCIATED PRESS
2:20 p.m. August 31, 2004
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President Bush claims we will not win war on terror.
America's reaction: *Gasp* sudden worry, angst and mild panic. President's approval ratings experiece downward pressure.
President Bush corrects himself the next day assuring we will win war on terror
America's reaction: sigh of relief. president experiences vote of confidence. Approval ratings go up
hahaha gotta love america. my prediction for issue of 2008 elections: Bush lies to american people about winning war on terror. You said we would win! We trusted you! Liar!!! haha
wow.. alot of dumb people down south |
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