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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancechaos
ever get those moments when you stop and wonder about the world? why are we here? is there really a god? whats beyond this world? whats the purpose of life? what happens when i die? how was it like before i was born? i wonder what life would be like if i wasnt a human but another animal? why do i have to listen to other people tell me how to live my life? why am i in school? where will i be 10 years from now? what is religion really about? why cant i travel through time? why do people have to die? why is mankind so stupid? why? why? why?
well the time is now 4:31am and i was studying for a midterm till i started wondering why? why anything? really whats the purpose of this life we live? why am i here? where am i going?
my head hurts.
anyone else get these moments? |
Why do hot dogs come in packs of 8 and hot dog buns come in packs of 12?
Haha... I can be intensely philosophical if I choose to be but I realized a long time ago that questions like these are not worth dwelling on.
These things are mental constructs - they're like trick questions - they presume things that simply don't exist. Mainly, these questions, and especially religious questions, stem from some desperate and silly need to believe that the universe is deterministic and not random. That if you REALLY think about it, you can find a REASON for everything. I guess it's like a coping mechanism for people who have ty lives, they need to think that all these bad things have a purpose and are leading up to something good, or if not something visibly good then something intangibly good (like building "character" and thus making them better than other people).
Those questions serve no purpose other than to give you a "mind " because they simply can never be answered. You can answer any of them however you like and your answer would be right, because there isn't any way to prove it wrong (unless your answer is a complete dumb- answer like "we exist only to see the Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup", which we all know is never gonna happen).
Accept that life and the universe are random and stick to questions you can answer, like "what's for lunch." |
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| EvilDust |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
the way i see it fate,imo, is the fork in the road before every turn u take-"should i"/"should i not" and destiny is the predetermined choice we make at each fork.
yes we have what is known as free will but its written in our destiny what choices we will make. there is no alternate sequence of events that could've/should've occured in our lives...this is how it was supposed to happen
we make mistakes and wonder "what if i did that instead, would i still be in this situation??"- well you wouldnt pick option 2 cos thats not whats written down...option 2 was tehre only to show u what ur inborn traits lack which made u pick option 1 |
I don't think our destinies are predetermined. What about all those insane terrorists? Is it their destiny to chop off people's heads? And if it's predetermined already, are they really guilty? Something to think about. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Why do hot dogs come in packs of 8 and hot dog buns come in packs of 12?
Haha... I can be intensely philosophical if I choose to be but I realized a long time ago that questions like these are not worth dwelling on.
These things are mental constructs - they're like trick questions - they presume things that simply don't exist. Mainly, these questions, and especially religious questions, stem from some desperate and silly need to believe that the universe is deterministic and not random. That if you REALLY think about it, you can find a REASON for everything. I guess it's like a coping mechanism for people who have ty lives, they need to think that all these bad things have a purpose and are leading up to something good, or if not something visibly good then something intangibly good (like building "character" and thus making them better than other people).
Those questions serve no purpose other than to give you a "mind " because they simply can never be answered. You can answer any of them however you like and your answer would be right, because there isn't any way to prove it wrong (unless your answer is a complete dumb- answer like "we exist only to see the Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup", which we all know is never gonna happen).
Accept that life and the universe are random and stick to questions you can answer, like "what's for lunch." |
Dude, u n SAID IT!! thats EXACTLY THe way i feel about religion... it helps ppl deal with ... its not ur fault, it is meant to be, yada yadda yadda... it makes life easier to deal with... i personally just take it all as it comes at me, i dont need faith or religion to get thru my day or to enrich my life... life just is, ur alive then ur dead... there is no greater purpose, just live it and make whut u want out of it, do whut u wanan do while u can... the universe IS random... for me personally, personally i take pride that i can accept thigns as they are w/o having to put an spin on them (like its "meant to be", etc. etc.)...
life is ing good... |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilDust
Life doesn't mean anything. It is what it is. One day you're alive. One day you're dead. One day you're a loser. One day you're king of the ing world. No reason. It doesn't mean anything. It just is.
Everybody spends their whole lives pretending that isn't random. We trace connections between events, and we invest those connections with meaning. That's why we all make stories out of our lives. That's what stories are: ways of pretending that things happen for a reason.
The universe is a structure of coincidence. It means whatever you decide it means. Which is another way of saying: What your life means depends on how you tell the story. |
I liked this quote. Whut novel is that from?????
Especialy like the quote "The universe is a structure of coincidence"... very well put... i think that'll be my new MSN name... :D |
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilDust
I don't think our destinies are predetermined. What about all those insane terrorists? Is it their destiny to chop off people's heads? And if it's predetermined already, are they really guilty? Something to think about. |
as i said its my opinion..somthing i concluded with....
and talkin bout terrorists beheading, well thats what was already written in that never to eb seen book of their lives.
what bout when u stole that cookie from that jar. u were guilty but u were meant to do it anyways.
guilt is an emotion and not an option.
if any of u read the book Time Machine by HG wells or even watched the movie (which was skewed :whip: ), theres the one line he says which goes something like "i tried to change the past but i realized that the past cannot be changed as it is written in our destiny" (as i said i cant remember teh exact line) thats one of the lines that inspired my ideas behind fate & destiny. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
tahts just closing ur mind to reality in teh background....
its like saying "oh a movie is made with only the people u see in it" while really thers 100 others working in teh background for production....
(sorry couldnt think of a better analogy) |
so to watch a movie you have to think about all the people in the background? imo that would make the movie much worse than to just think of the movie as you see it. |
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
so to watch a movie you have to think about all the people in the background? imo that would make the movie much worse than to just think of the movie as you see it. |
as i said i couldnt think of a better analogy at the time....
ok using the similar mindframe,
when u watch a movie, its not the main character(s) that make a movie complete without all the co-actors and extras thrown in the film
how bout that |
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| trancechaos |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jem_hadar
Dude, u n SAID IT!! thats EXACTLY THe way i feel about religion... it helps ppl deal with ... its not ur fault, it is meant to be, yada yadda yadda... it makes life easier to deal with... i personally just take it all as it comes at me, i dont need faith or religion to get thru my day or to enrich my life... life just is, ur alive then ur dead... there is no greater purpose, just live it and make whut u want out of it, do whut u wanan do while u can... the universe IS random... for me personally, personally i take pride that i can accept thigns as they are w/o having to put an spin on them (like its "meant to be", etc. etc.)...
life is ing good... |
religion is in wierd, it probably was something started in order to maintain order and discipline in different cultures. im at a stage in my life where by i dont know whether to believe in god or not coz there are something about religion that dont make sense. e.g if there really is a god and jesus christ died on the cross for mankinds sins then why do some people go to hell, shouldnt everyone go to heaven if all our sins have been paid for, and isnt god meant to be this all time forgiving god anyway. and who is to say which religion is right, if the hindu's had gotten to africa before the christians then i probably would be a hindu right now. and what about the religion and culture that my people had before the damn british came, who is to say that they are right and we were wrong. see it dont make no sense. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
as i said i couldnt think of a better analogy at the time....
ok using the similar mindframe,
when u watch a movie, its not the main character(s) that make a movie complete without all the co-actors and extras thrown in the film
how bout that |
that would imo be more similair to say that a life without content (ie just you, the main character) would be quite meningless... But with your friends, family (the co actors) and all the experiences (extras) the life is definitely fun.
btw, damn i hate analogies :p |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancechaos
religion is in wierd, it probably was something started in order to maintain order and discipline in different cultures. im at a stage in my life where by i dont know whether to believe in god or not coz there are something about religion that dont make sense. e.g if there really is a god and jesus christ died on the cross for mankinds sins then why do some people go to hell, shouldnt everyone go to heaven if all our sins have been paid for, and isnt god meant to be this all time forgiving god anyway. and who is to say which religion is right, if the hindu's had gotten to africa before the christians then i probably would be a hindu right now. and what about the religion and culture that my people had before the damn british came, who is to say that they are right and we were wrong. see it dont make no sense. |
We're born agnostics and that's how we would stay if it wasn't for other people telling us what to believe. No religion I've seen so far has any evidence to support its claims, so I'm content in saying that I don't know whether or not there's a God and don't really care. (Actually I'm an atheist now but was agnostic for some time).
Don't be afraid to apply a little basic logic and skepticism to what people tell you. If something sounds too convoluted (or perhaps too simple) to be true, it probably is. There is absolutely no reason not to believe that everything happening in this universe is random - the only thing stopping so many people from believing it is their own fear and insecurity.
Fate and destiny are sad excuses for people whose realities turned out different from their dreams - for the ones who don't have the guts to admit they screwed up and don't have the willpower to change. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| So much to say about this! I've found that such questions are up to the individual to decide and make sense of. For me, everything is cyclic and there is no definite answer. I like it this way, things are as they are. The more and more I make sense of so many things in life, the more they all fall together. I stick to one simple rule: keep it simple...JUST BREATHE. The rest falls into place after that. |
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| Espresso |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancechaos
religion is in wierd, it probably was something started in order to maintain order and discipline in different cultures. im at a stage in my life where by i dont know whether to believe in god or not coz there are something about religion that dont make sense. e.g if there really is a god and jesus christ died on the cross for mankinds sins then why do some people go to hell, shouldnt everyone go to heaven if all our sins have been paid for, and isnt god meant to be this all time forgiving god anyway. and who is to say which religion is right, if the hindu's had gotten to africa before the christians then i probably would be a hindu right now. and what about the religion and culture that my people had before the damn british came, who is to say that they are right and we were wrong. see it dont make no sense. |
Poor you!
very confused, eh? ;)
but be happy and proud of yourself: just the fact that at least you're struggling with these issues and ideas,shows how blessed you are and it makes a whole lotta diference, whereas you could be like a lot of otther people and be either totally ignorant to what is the most important thing in life(the resaon of our existence)or just give up on it and suffer more and more, and eventually die like a looser not knowing why you were born, lived and died!!!.
sure, thinking and struggling with these issues is a challenge and makes you suffer;it's not an easy task and it's a hell of a journey, but as long as you don't give up and persist, you'll find your way and answers to a lot of questions as a reward.
God gave every one reasoning, free will and sentiments: it's up to you to use them as means to discover the meaning of life and existence or not to, same with God, religion and faith, if you do a bit of serious and curious reading of scriptures (Bible, Gospels, Koran, Upanishads, Dhammapada, etc) you'll see nowhere has it been said that we MUST believe in God, or religion or whatever, it all up to the individual's will and intellect if he chooses to do so or not, but all of them do say and warn us what the consequences of our choices and acts would be.
anyway, since i've been through the same hell you're in right now and fortunately did find my way, maybe a friendly suggestion won't hurt:it takes time, patience and perseviernce and hard work to achive that peace and happiness and if you give up, you can enjoy the short-lived life full of suprises and joys but in the end the taste of dissatisfaction and unhappiness will always remain; although for those who still have a bit conciousness left and are aware of it
just my 0.02$ :)
hope you find your way :toocool: |
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