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| Magnetonium |
[Author] ... TELL ME ABOUT THE TIME.
There is no time like the pre-sent! You've heard that before, I'm sure. But you didnt understand it. Now you do. There is no time but this time. There is no moment but this moment. "Now" is all that there is.
[AUTHOR] WHAT ABOUT "YESTERDAY" and "TOMORROW"?
Figments of your imagination. Constructions of your mind. Nonexistent in Ultimate Reality. Everything that ever happened, is happening, and ever will happen, is happening right now.
[AUHOR] I DONT UNDERSTAND.
And you cant. Not completely. But you can begin to. And a beginning grasp is all that is needed here. So, listen. "Time" is not a continuum. It is an element of relativity that exists vertically, not horizontally. Dont think of it as "left to right" thing - a so-called time line that runs from birth to death for each individual, and from some finite point to some finite point for the universe.
"Time" is an up-and-down thing! Think of it as a spindle, representing the Eternal Moment Of Now.
Now picture leafs of paper on the spindle, one atop the other. These are the elements of time. Each element separate and distinct, yet each existing simultaneously with the other. All the paper on the spindle at once! As much as there will ever be - as much as there ever was ...
There is only One Moment - this moment - the Eternal Moment Of Now.
It is right now that everything is happening - and I am glorified. There is no waiting for the glory of God. I made it this way because I just couldnt wait! I was so happy to Be Who I Am that I just couldn't wait to make that manifest in My reality. So, BOOM, here it is - right here, right now - ALL OF IT! There is no beginning to this, and there is no End. It - the all of Everything - just IS.
Within the Isness is where you experience - and your greatest secret - lies. You can move into consciousness within the Isness to any "time" or "Place" you choose.
[AUTHOR] YOU MEAN WE CAN TIME TRAVEL?
Indeed - and many of you have. ALL of you have, in fact - and you do it routinely, usually is what you call your dream state. Most of you are not aware of it. You cannot retain the awareness. But the energy sticks to you like glue, and sometimes there is enough residue that others - sensitive to this energy - can pick up things about your "past" or your "future". They feel or "read" this residue, and you call them seers or psychics. Sometimes there is enough residue that even you, in your limited consciouness, are aware that you've "been here before". Your whole being is suddenly jarred by the realization that you've "done this all before"!
[AUTHOR] DE JA VU!
Yes. Or that wonderful feeling when you meet someone that you've known them all your life - known them for all eternity! That's a spectacular feeling. Thats a marvelous feeling. And thats a true feeling. You have known that soul forever! Forever is a right now thing! So you have often looked up, or looked down, from your "piece of paper" on the spindle,, and seen all the other pieces! And you've seen yourself there - because a part of You is on every piece!
[AUTHOR] HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?
I tell you this: You have always been, are now, and always will be. There has never been a time where you were not - nor will ever be such time.
[AUTHOR] BUT WAIT! WHAT ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF OLD SOULS? AREN'T SOME SOULS 'OLDER' THAN OTHERS?
Nothing is older than anything. I created it ALL AT ONCE, and All Of It exists right now. The experience of "older" and "younger" to which you refer has to do with the levels of awareness of a particular soul, or Aspect Of Being. You are all Aspects of Being, simply parts of What Is. Each part has the consciousness of the Whole embedded within it. Every element carries the imprint. "Awareness" is the experience of that consciousness being awakened. The individual aspect of the ALL becomes aware of itself. It becomes, quite literally, self conscious.
Then, gradually, it becomes conscious of all others, and then, of the fact that there are no others - that All is One. Then ultimately, of Me. Magnificent Me!
[AUTHOR] BOY, YOU REALLY LIKE YOU, DONT YOU?
Don't you?
[AUTHOR] YES, I THINK IT'S GREAT!
I agree. And I think you're great! Thats the only place where you and I disagree. You don't think you're great!
[AUTHOR] HOW CAN I SEE MYSELF AS GREAT WHEN I SEE ALL MY FOIBLES, ALL MY MISTAKES - ALL MY EVIL?
I tell you this: Tere is no evil!
[AUTHOR] I WISH THAT COULD BE TRUE.
You are perfect, just as you are.
[AUTHOR] I WISH THAT COULD BE TRUE, TOO.
It is true! A tree is no less perfect because it is a seedling. A tiny infant is no less perfect than a grown-up. It is perfection itself. Because it cannot do a thing, does not know a thing, it does not make it somehow less perfect. A child makes mistakes. She stands. She toddles. She stands again, a bit wobbly, haning on her mommy's leg. Does that make the child imperfect? I tell you it is just opposite! The child is perfection itself, wholly and completely adorable. So, too, are you.
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[AUTHOR] THIS INFORMATION ABOUT TIME ALL SEEMS ... WELL, INTERESTING, BUT RATHER ESOTERIC. DOES IT HAVE ANY APPLICATION TO REAL LIFE?
A true understanding of time allows you to live much more peacefully within your reality of relativity, where time is experienced as a movement, a flow, rather than a constant. It is you who are moving, not time. Time has no movement. There is only One Movement.At some level you deeply understand this. That is why, when something really magnificent or significant occurs in your life, you often say it is as if "time stands still". It does. And when you do also, you often experience one of those life-defining moments.
AUTHOR: I FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE. HOW CAN IT BE POSSIBLE?
Your science has already proven this mathematically. Formulas have been writte showing that if you get into a spaceship and fly far anough fast enough, you could swing back around toward the Earth and watch yourself taking off. This demonstrates that Time is not a movement but a field through which you move - in this case on Spaceship Earth.
You say it takes 365 days to make a year. Yet what is a day? Youve decided, quite arbitrarily, I might add - that a day is the time it takes your Spaceship to make one complete revolution on its axis. How do you know its made such a spin (you cant feel it moving!)? Youve chosen a reference point in the heavens - the Sun. You say it takes a full day for the portion of the Spaceship you are on to face the Sun, turn away from the Sun, then face the Sun again. You've divided this day into 24 hours - again quite arbitrarily. You could have just as easily have said "10" or "73"! Then you divided each hour into minutes. You said each hourly unit contained 60 smaller units, called minutes, and that each of those contained 60 tiny units, called seconds. One day you noticed that the Earth was not only spinning, it was also flying! You saw that it was moving through space arounf the Sun. You carefully calculated that it took 365 revolutions of the Earth for the Earth itself to revolve around the Sun. This number of Earth spins you called a year.
Things kind of got messy when you decided that you wanted to divide up a year into units smaller than a year, but larger than a day. You created a week and the month, and you managed to get the same number of months in every year, but not the same number of days in each month. You couldn'tfind a way to divide an odd number of days (365) by an even number of months (12), so you just decided that some months contained more days than others! You felt that you had to stay with twelve months as the years sub-divider because that was the number of Lunar Cycles you observed the moon moving through during the year. In order to reconcile these three spatial events - revolutions around the sun, spins of the Earth on its axis, and moon cycles - you simply adjusted the number of days in each month.
Even this device didnt solve all the problems because your earlier invention kept creating a "build-up" of time which you didnt know what to do with. So you also decided that every so often one year would have to have a whole day more! You called this Leap Year, and joked about it, but you actually live by such construction - and then you call My explanation of time "unbelieveable!
Youve just as arbitrarily created decades and centuries (based, interestingly, on 10s, not 12s) to further measure the passage of time - but all along what you've really been doing is merely devising a way to measure movements through space.
Thus we see that it is not time which passes, but objects which pass through, and move around in, a static field which you call space. Time is simply your way of counting movements!
Scientists deeply understand this connection and therefore speak in terms of the "Space-Time Continuum". Your Dr Einstein and other realized that time was a mental construction, a relational concept. Time was what it was relative to the space that existed between objects (if the universe was expanding - which it is - then it takes longer for the Earth to revolve around the sun t0day than it did a billion years ago. There's more space to cover.)
Thus, it took more minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, and centuries for all these cyclical events to occur recently than it did in 1492? (When is a day not day? When is a year not a year?)
Your new, highly sophisticated timing instruments now record this time discreptancy, and every year clocks around the world is adjusted to accomodate the universe that WONT SIT STILL! This is called the Greenwich Mean Time ... and it is really "mean" because it makes a liar out of the universe!
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| Magnetonium |
Einstein theorized that if it wasnt time which was moving, but he who was moving through space at a given rate, all he had to do was change then amount of space between the objects - or change the rate of speed with which he moved through space from one object to another - to "alter" time.
It was his General Theory of Relativity which expanded your modern day understanding of the co-relation between time and space.But now you may begin to understand why, if you make a long journey through space and return, you may have aged only ten years - which your friends on Earth will have aged 30! The farther you go, the more you will warp the Space-Time Continuum, and the less your chances when you land of finding alive on Earth anyone who was there when you left! However, if scientists on Earth in some "future" time developed a way to propel themselves faster, they could "cheat" the universe and stay in sync with "real time" on Earth, returing to find that the same time had passed on Earth as had passed on the Spaceship.
Obviously, if more propulsion was available, one could return to Earth before one took off! That is to say, that time on Earth would pass more slowly than time on the spaceship. You could come back in ten of your years and the Earth would have aged only four! Incrrease the speed, and ten years in space might mean ten minutes on Earth. Now, come across a fold in the fabric of space (Einstein and other believed they exist - and they were correct!) and you are suddenly propelled across space in one infiniteismal moment. Could such a time-space phenomenon literally fling you back into time?
It should not be quite as difficult to now see that time does not exist exist as a construction of your mentality. Everything's that ever happened - and is ever going to happen - is happening right now. Thw ability to observe it merely depends on your point of view - your "place in space". If you were in my place, you could see it All - right now! Comprehend? |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
1. This mysterious "fourth dimension" is known as "time" by all reputable scientists. There are in fact several more of these "dimensions" that are well-known and well-understood, but I don't remember the exact details there.
Geez man, where do you come up with this !? These sound like they came from Scientologists and sci-fi writers, not actual scientists![/COLOR][/FONT] |
Ummmmmmmmm the fourth dimension is actually called "space/time". As for those several more dimensions that are well known and well understood I wouldn't go THAT far. We know they are there, but we can only gather hints about what is actually there and in fact find it REALLY difficult to even visualize other "higher" dimensions because they are so inaccessable. I would hardly define that as being well known and well understood. As for sounding like a sci fi writer, you DO know that a hell of a lot of sci fi and forward thinking of that style has ended up being TRUE or at least the basis for a LOT of what we create here on this planet? |
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| Baki...i hope all the info uve been given by all these replies so far has enlightedned u and u know have purpose to live..... |
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| Magnetonium |
So are you guys reading what I am saying or am I wasting my precious time here?
LOL, wait a minute ... there is no time. I live in the moment of Now ... :stongue: :haha: |
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| trancechaos |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
Baki...i hope all the info uve been given by all these replies so far has enlightedned u and u know have purpose to live..... |
hahaha i love the sarcasim |
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| Magnetonium |
[AUTHOR] WOW! I AM BEGINNING TO - ON A THEORETICAL LEVEL - YES! Right now psysical objects are limited in terms of their speed - but nonphysical objects - my thoughts, my soul could theoretically move though the ether at incredible speeds.
Exactly! And that is what happens often in dreams and other out-of-body and psychic experiences.
AUTHOR: BUT ... IF EVERYTHING HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, THEN IT FOLLOWS THAT I AM POWERLESTO CHANGE MY FUTURE. IS THIS PREDESTINATION?
No! That is not true. In fact, this "set-up" should serve you, not dissolve you! You are always at a place of free will and total choice. Being able to see into the future (to get others to do it for you) should enhance your ability to live the life you want, not limit it. If you "see" a future event or experience you do not like, dont choose it! Choose again! Select another! Change or alter your behavious so as to avoid the undesired outcome.
AUTHOR: BUT HOW CAN I AVOID THAT WHICH HAS ALREADY HAPPENED?
It has not happened to you - yet! You are at a place in the Space-Time Continuum where you are not consciously aware of the occurance. You do not know it has happened. You have not remembered your future! This forgetfullness is the secret of all time. It is what makes possible for you to play the great game of life [explains in other books].
What you know is not so. Since you do not remember your future, it has not happened to you yet! A thing happens only when it is experienced. A thing is experienced only when it is known. Now lets say you've been blessed with a brief glimpse, os split-second knowing of your future. What happened is that your Spirit - the nonphysical part of you - has simply sped to another place on the Space-Time Continuum and brought back soome residual energy - some images or impressions - of that moment or event.These you can feel- or sometimes another who has developed a metaphysical gift can feel or see those images and energies that are swirling about you. If you dont like what you sense about your future, step away from that!I nthat instant you change your experience - and everyone of You breathes a sign of relief!
AUTHOR: WAIT A MINUTE! WHOAAAAA ---?
You must know - you are now ready to be told - that you exist at every level of the Space-Time Continuum simultaneously. That is, your soul always was, always is, and always will be - world without end - amen.
AUTHOR: I "EXIST" IN MORE PLACES THAN ONE?
Of course! You exist everywhere - and at all times!
AUTHOR: THERE IS A "ME" in the future and a ME in the past?
Well, future and past do not exist, as we've just taken plains to understand - but, using those words as you have been using them, yes.
AUTHOR: THERE IS MORE THAN ONE OF ME?
There is only one of you, but you are much larger than you think!
AUTHOR: SO WHEN THE "ME" THAT EXISTS "NOW" CHANGES SOMETHING HE DOESN'T LIKE ABOUT HIS FUTURE, THE "ME" THAT EXISTS IN THE FUTURE NO LONGER HAS THAT AS PART OF HIS EXPERIENCE?
Essentially yes. The whole mosaic changes. But he never loses the experience he's given himself. He's just relieved and happy that you dont have to go through that.
AUTHOR: BUT THE "ME" IN THE "PAST" HAS YET THE EXPERIENCE THIS, SO HE WALKS RIGHT INTO IT? CAN I HELP HIM?
Sure. First, by changing what the "you" in front of you experienced, the you behind you may never have to experience it! It is by this device that your soul evolves. In the same way, the future you got help from his own future itself, thus helping you avoid what he did not. DId you follow that?
AUTHOR: YES, AND ITS INTRIGUING. BUT NOW I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. WHAT ABOUT PAST LIVES? IF I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ME - IN THE PAST AND IN THE FUTURE - HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SOMEONE ELSE, ANOTHER PERSON IN A PAST LIFE?
You are a Divine Being, capable of more than one experience at the same time - and able to divide your Self into as many different selves as you choose. You can live the same life over and over again, in different ways - as I've just explained. And you can also live different lives at differen times on the Continuum. Thus, all the while you're being you, here, now - you can also be, and have been - other "selves" in other times and places.
AUTHOR: GOOD GRIEF! THIS GETS COMPLICATEDER AND COMPLICATEDER!
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Most of this infromation I am copying directly from a book called Conversations With God, and I should start a new thread in the Chill Out Forums as soon as get to finih one of the eight books in the series, so enlighten some of you.
What do you TAs think of these "Conversations with God, between the Author and God ... |
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| Magnetonium |
I guess nobody can even comprehend latest info posted by me even to post an opinion or a reflection ...
I wonder what Diginut / Highroller say ... better be good, cause my friend is a good critic, and he argues better than me - and that way he'll finally join the forums. My best friend knows about this information that I was talking about today thoroughly ...
Oh, and by the way, all of this makes perfect sense to me, because it is written in understandable form of english ... :D |
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
I guess nobody can even comprehend latest info posted by me even to post an opinion or a reflection ... |
its too much to read......
maybe later tonight when i feel like printing it out and reading it over a cup of coffee, i can reply to u post |
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| DJ_Elyot |
Just read all that "Conversations with God" stuff. :D
It definitely expresses space-time in a way that people can understand. Some of it is a little misleading in my opinion, but it's only one possible interpretation. The "dream-state" thing sounds really really non-scientific.
I've always tried to explain it like this (this is how I taught space-time to my girlfriend :D)... Consider the following ways of expressing 2 dimensions:
1 space dimension and 1 time dimension:
- Consider a point moving on one dimension (a line). As time goes on, the point may wiggle up or down the line as far as it wants, but will never leave it. You will be able to watch an animation of the point on the line as it lives its life and experiences everything it encounters in it's universe.
2 space dimensions:
Now, consider an oscilliscope or seismograph tracing the path of that dot as it travels through its lifetime. When you're done, you have a two dimensional picture (a wave-like function) displaying the point's position in one dimension as a function of time. This would look much like the graph of a sound recording.
Consider the fact that these two completely interpretations both give exactly the same information... watching the animation of the point's life on a 1-dimensional universe and reading the graph, printed on 2-dimensional paper.
Now, here's the tricky part... extend this concept to our current universe. You can either look at it as a 3-dimensional movie (as we live our lives) or as a 4-dimensional graph of three variables as a function of one variable (time).
That graph doesn't have a past, present, or future... it just "IS". It just sits there, unchanged. It IS the universe. Everything is a function. Each particle follows a path that resembles some function f(t) -> (x,y,z). It's velocity can be calculated by taking the derivative, and so on. All the functions together interact with each other according to other equations called LAWS.
LAWS are just THERE... there's no real reason for their existance, although the anthropic principle is a good explanation. It says that if the laws weren't how they are, we wouldn't be here to question their existance. For example, consider the fact that our universe has 3 space dimensions. It is inconceivable to picture a universe with 2 space dimensions (how would digestion and circulation work in animals, for instance), and calculations have shown that atoms and molecules in 4 or more dimensions would be so unstable that electrons would never be able to orbit the nuclei of atoms.
You could obviously say that god created the laws... I mean most people think that there must have been SOMETHING responsible for the creation of the universe (although it has been shown that it is possible the universe simply created itself.) You can recursively argue, if god created the universe, what created god? ...and so on, and so on, and you eventually have to come to the conclusion that SOMETHING created itself.
The problem is that the concept of creation depends on time... in order for something to have been created, it must have not existed at some point, and then existed at a later point. If the universe is just a 4 dimensional picture (instead of a 3-dimensional moving picture), then time may not even exist. Then, the concept of creation becomes inconceivable. god know longer is a being... god is a thing... with no emotion; no feelings; no wants or needs... because those things all depend on time. They are elements of life, and life requires time.
So when faced with the case that our creator is from a world without time, we have to consider the following argument. Perhaps instead of working back until we find something that created itself, we just redefine our recusive argument to continue until we reach a place with no time. Then the concept of creation goes down the toilet... and that place just IS. That world would be to our world what a musical score is to a sound recording... a painting of time. We're just falling through time in one direction, like a little dude falling through the musical score from left to right.
There are a whole bunch of other wierd things like gravity that have very cute explanations using this analogy... also the effects of quantum and stuff are left out... meh... maybe a bit more later.
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
Just read all that "Conversations with God" stuff. :D
It definitely expresses space-time in a way that people can understand. Some of it is a little misleading in my opinion, but it's only one possible interpretation. The "dream-state" thing sounds really really non-scientific.
I've always tried to explain it like this (this is how I taught space-time to my girlfriend :D)... Consider the following ways of expressing 2 dimensions:
1 space dimension and 1 time dimension:
- Consider a point moving on one dimension (a line). As time goes on, the point may wiggle up or down the line as far as it wants, but will never leave it. You will be able to watch an animation of the point on the line as it lives its life and experiences everything it encounters in it's universe.
2 space dimensions:
Now, consider an oscilliscope or seismograph tracing the path of that dot as it travels through its lifetime. When you're done, you have a two dimensional picture (a wave-like function) displaying the point's position in one dimension as a function of time. This would look much like the graph of a sound recording.
Consider the fact that these two completely interpretations both give exactly the same information... watching the animation of the point's life on a 1-dimensional universe and reading the graph, printed on 2-dimensional paper.
Now, here's the tricky part... extend this concept to our current universe. You can either look at it as a 3-dimensional movie (as we live our lives) or as a 4-dimensional graph of three variables as a function of one variable (time).
That graph doesn't have a past, present, or future... it just "IS". It just sits there, unchanged. It IS the universe. Everything is a function. Each particle follows a path that resembles some function f(t) -> (x,y,z). It's velocity can be calculated by taking the derivative, and so on. All the functions together interact with each other according to other equations called LAWS.
LAWS are just THERE... there's no real reason for their existance, although the anthropic principle is a good explanation. It says that if the laws weren't how they are, we wouldn't be here to question their existance. For example, consider the fact that our universe has 3 space dimensions. It is inconceivable to picture a universe with 2 space dimensions (how would digestion and circulation work in animals, for instance), and calculations have shown that atoms and molecules in 4 or more dimensions would be so unstable that electrons would never be able to orbit the nuclei of atoms.
You could obviously say that god created the laws... I mean most people think that there must have been SOMETHING responsible for the creation of the universe (although it has been shown that it is possible the universe simply created itself.) You can recursively argue, if god created the universe, what created god? ...and so on, and so on, and you eventually have to come to the conclusion that SOMETHING created itself.
The problem is that the concept of creation depends on time... in order for something to have been created, it must have not existed at some point, and then existed at a later point. If the universe is just a 4 dimensional picture (instead of a 3-dimensional moving picture), then time may not even exist. Then, the concept of creation becomes inconceivable. god know longer is a being... god is a thing... with no emotion; no feelings; no wants or needs... because those things all depend on time. They are elements of life, and life requires time.
So when faced with the case that our creator is from a world without time, we have to consider the following argument. Perhaps instead of working back until we find something that created itself, we just redefine our recusive argument to continue until we reach a place with no time. Then the concept of creation goes down the toilet... and that place just IS. That world would be to our world what a musical score is to a sound recording... a painting of time. We're just falling through time in one direction, like a little dude falling through the musical score from left to right.
There are a whole bunch of other wierd things like gravity that have very cute explanations using this analogy... also the effects of quantum and stuff are left out... meh... maybe a bit more later.
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Hehe, sounds good ... my best friend is an expert at what I wrote, so he should do a full reply sometime, whenever he gets time. As for now, I've decided to start a new thread on this, to open eyes to more people, by starting more complex topics - you see, that was just the easy explanation. I am just tired, and I dont want to mislead anybody on anything, so I will be just posting hard evidence, and you TAs will do all the understanding and criticizing ... I'll post a link here soon for the new thread ...
[B]http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=217794 |
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| DJ_Elyot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Epicurus
Personally, I beleive you can't use either position to justify your beliefs, and furthermore, you don't have to stick to determinism to tell the science-and religion-are-compatible-idiots to shove it. How desperate are they becoming when they try and manipulate QM to insert God into there :haha: Even if we conceded their point, God would only "exist" at basic particle levels since we know that randomness gets drowned out at a macro-level. Their oh so powerful God has been reduced to a pathetic similee of his self if all he can do is cause electrons to shift orbits randomly :stongue: Anyway, my point is you don't need determinsm to make any point regarding God's non-existence, and your analogy argument is extremely weak since there is NO proof that previous analogies are germane to this particular case. In fact, I don't think they are at all.
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Well, the problem is, we don't understand what makes those individual electrons randomly shift orbits. We know that they have to do so in order to satisfy the laws of quantum mechanics and the calculated probability distributions, but we don't know what changes each individual outcome.
It's like saying "a die rolls each of the numbers 1 through 6 with a probability of 1/6." A religious person could say that "God controls the outcome", Newton could claim that "physics controls the outcome", and Heisenberg might claim that the outcome is genuinely random (from an ontological point of view) because of quantum mechanics (obviously, the die would have to be pretty damn small).
The point here is that nobody is right or wrong... we, as a species, can't tell... and there's no use claiming somebody's explanation is unfounded, because they're ALL unfounded.
It's like looking at a black box that spits out random numbers (according to a given probability distribution) and having an argument like "there's a little man inside generating the numbers" vs "the numbers come from a predetermined list" vs "they're just magically generated randomly". Who is right and who is wrong? Nobody, because their opinions all lie outside their realm of (ontological) knowledge.
Any argument regarding what happens below the limits of the uncertainty principle is weak, impossible to prove, and useless. My "argument" is more of a "supposition", but I still think it's no less credible than just saying that randomness occurs for no reason. I guess we just agree to disagree and be done with it. It still kinks up the arguments of the "god" people... surely the preordered list in the box makes more sense than the little man in the box. :happy2:
The God-uncertainty argument has its merits because you can claim that God can decide the outcome of any event without you ever being able to show that God did it. All God has to do is conform to that probability law so that nobody gets too suspicious.
I'm not that deep in philosophy yet, but is there any formal way of wieghing the different arguments against each other? They all seem to agree with coherence theory (although there's not much justification), and correspondance theory tells us nothing because they lie outside of the field of ontology. Is there a general rule of thumb or a method to follow to determine the real unicorns in this discussion? |
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