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Reasons for the Death of the Rave Scene (pg. 4)
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| discojoe |
| anyone ever thought that the death of the rave scene might have something to do with the fact that people just arnt as interested in it. Just a thought |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by discojoe
anyone ever thought that the death of the rave scene might have something to do with the fact that people just arnt as interested in it. Just a thought |
well, that's what i was trying to say. something better just came up. |
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| Callie5 |
| "Ravers" grew up and started clubbing, the scene simply couldn't carry on without us :haha: |
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| halo20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by discojoe
anyone ever thought that the death of the rave scene might have something to do with the fact that people just arnt as interested in it. Just a thought |
thanks smart ass, but why aren't they as interested |
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| discojoe |
| quote: | Originally posted by halo20
thanks smart ass, but why aren't they as interested |
same reason they arent as interested in disco. peoples tastes change. they are interested in something else. |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
i don't think the scene is necessarily dying in North America .. infact I think it's growing .. take for example some of the large festivals that have been going on in other cities.. ie. Love Parade San Francisco, Cream/Tiesto in Concert Montreal, Monster Massive in LA, Halloween Massives in Vancouver and Seatle, WMC in Miami, PVD and Tiesto at Summerstage Central Park New York ..
i just think it's dying in Toronto ... why? a number of factors in my opinion .. particularly the rave protocols making it more difficult for promoters to find safe venues to host their events. changes in trends and demographics could be another possibility .. it seems like fewer of my brother's friends are interested in going to raves these days than there were when i was in highschool .. then again there doesn't seem to be as many raves for them to go to anymore period..
the whole EDM scene here seems to have receded into clubs .. and clubs seem to be the ones that have the power and control the way the scene is now in Toronto ..
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ya, i'd def have to agree here....
TO is where it has basically disappeared,
and the clubs have REALLY taken control.
y'know what tho? i wouldnt be interested to go back
to a rave unless it was REALLY supported by the right ppl
and had a MASSIVE line-up, like in europe for example. |
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
y'know what tho? i wouldnt be interested to go back
to a rave unless it was REALLY supported by the right ppl
and had a MASSIVE line-up, like in europe for example. |
and was 18+
-Your Mother |
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| Sly_Guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
but wouldn't the media saying that raves were bad make them more appealing to the young public? the rebel inside everyone always wants to do the things that everyone says are bad.
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I don't think so. I got into the rave scene late [I was too young to get in it earlier] bout 98', 99', and the media was already portraying raves as an *bad* thing for young kids to do. Why? Because drugs were there and the thought of drugs being bad has been hammered into our minds for as long as we can remember. Going out to raves, my high school friends would always make fun of me because they thought I was going to become some kind of crazy junkie, and couldn't get past the front door without getting a needle shoved into my arm. The bad image seemed to great a risk for a lot of my friends to deal with and would refuse to go. [I seem to remember a certain NYE where Chinaman refused to go down to the better living center with me due to the fact raves were full of drugs, and drugs were not cool]. This kind of fear overrode most of my friends' want to rebel against authority. Rebel, but not at the cost of throwing away your life, as it was perceived.
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I might be going out on a limb by saying this, but maybe clubs also had a part in bringing down the rave scene. |
I don't think this is the case either. The reason why we're arguing that the rave scene in Toronto isn't as strong is because back then, we could support both the club, and the raves. Industry, Turbo, System, and the Guv [among others playing EDM] were still making their money and bringing in the headliners while we were still throwing 10-15,000 people parties. I think if anything, the clubs were happy for the additional interest in EDM due to the rave scene. I mean, it's not every weekend you can throw a 15,000 person party, but people will still go out every week.
I think another reason why our rave scene went belly up that hasn't been touched on by Jay, John, or Matt, is the fact that all the rave companies went belly up. I've only heard second hand, but from what I was always told is the fact that anytime those rave companies made any kind of money off their parties, instead of investing it into bigger and better parties [IE cooler venues, better decorations, sound, headliners etc] they spent it on getting high. Eventually, the people supporting the scene got fed up with the same big party with the same music, venue and crowd every second month and abandoned it. |
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| Jayx1 |
The companies going out of business were due to the over regulation. They couldnt make money thanks to the rave protocol and when you aren't making money then why bother? I know most rave companies in Toronto became serious businesses complete with office infrastructures and full time staff. I know this because I worked for one.
Same venue, same party scenario was because the media caused landlords to fear public backlash if a rave were held. International Centre was the first major facility to turn not to mention the better living centre and just about any other location that was formerly rave friendly. As a result it was either the Docks or the Warehouse since no one else would take them. That is, if you wanted to pay for an off duty cop for every 50 people. |
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| trancechaos |
| i personally thing the whole club thing is really sweet and i hope it just continues to grow. clubs are fun and safer i think, more well organised. |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Your Mother
and was 18+
-Your Mother |
tru enuff, but would go anyway in europe :) |
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| DigiNut |
http://www.ishkur.com/culture/
A lot of people will disagree, I'm sure, but it's one reason I don't like to blame the media TOO much. It's largely true that the media has blown things out of proportion on multiple occasions, but I think many of us also tend to romanticize the scene with silly catch phrases like "it's all about the music", trying to downplay the very real fact that substance use (but not necessarily abuse) is a pretty integral part of rave culture.
It's strange, however, that E was made the media monster, considering meth and coke are so much worse and probably almost as widespread as E, at least in the Toronto and Montreal club scenes. Then again, I'd gladly take cokeheads over thugs, gang wars, and people getting shot by them or beaten to within an inch of their lives by overzealous bouncers.
I think we should be honest with ourselves about what the scene really is, because even when you take that into account, it's a lot less worrisome than mainstream clubbing. |
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