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Reasons for the Death of the Rave Scene (pg. 5)
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by halo20
thanks smart ass |
Huh? Wha? You talking to me? Oh... |
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| The Highroller |
It's funny how naive parents are. They think that by stopping raves that their kids will stop doing E? Yea, maybe not as many kids do E as in 99, but a lot still do. You know what's the big thing in highschools now? COKE. Thanks to good ol' fiddy and his Free Yayo nonsense.
If I was a parent, I would much rather my kid be doing E than Coke. |
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| ShadoWolf |
Let me ask you this:
What are the reasons for the death of the hippie scene in the 1970's? |
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| charmscars |
| i think it just got old, it peaked, became mainstream and fell... |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sly_Guy
[I seem to remember a certain NYE where Chinaman refused to go down to the better living center with me due to the fact raves were full of drugs, and drugs were not cool]. |
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by charmscars
i think it just got old, it peaked, became mainstream and fell... |
+1
edit: As important, the PEOPLE IN THE SCENE got old and moved on.
Sick Boy's Theory
Sick Boy : It's certainly a phenomenon in all walks of life.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton : What do you mean?
Sick Boy : Well, at one time, you've got it, and then you lose it, and it's gone forever. All walks of life: George Best, for example. Had it, lost it. Or David Bowie, or Lou Reed...
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton : Some of his solo stuff's not bad.
Sick Boy : No, it's not bad, but it's not great either. And in your heart you kind of know that although it sounds all right, it's actually just e.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton : So who else?
Sick Boy : Charlie Nicholas, David Niven, Malcolm McLaren, Elvis Presley...
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton : OK, OK, so what's the point you're trying to make?
Sick Boy : All I'm trying to do is help you understand that The Name of The Rose is merely a blip on an otherwise uninterrupted downward trajectory.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton : What about The Untouchables?
Sick Boy : I don't rate that at all.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton : Despite the Academy Award?
Sick Boy : That means all. The sympathy vote.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton : Right. So we all get old and then we can't hack it anymore. Is that it?
Sick Boy : Yeah.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton : That's your theory?
Sick Boy : Yeah. Beautifully ing illustrated.
edit 2: Just look at Tiesto.... *runs away* :stongue: :stongue: |
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| Nemireck |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Let me ask you this:
What are the reasons for the death of the hippie scene in the 1970's? |
Altamont, 1969. Woodstock West explodes into a crime scene as this event marks the death of the age of Hippies. |
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| Walter Mindz |
| quote: | Originally posted by newr
I say that the biased media coverage killed raves... Towards the end of the rave era, raves were attracting media coverage because of the few deaths and ODs. As the media did "investigations" into the scene they concluded that raves are nothing but places for people to go and do lots of drugs, have sex, and fight. This report sparked questions regarding to the safety and well-being of ravers, and I believe it just became to difficult to attain government permission to hold a rave. |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
i just think it's dying in Toronto ... why? a number of factors in my opinion .. particularly the rave protocols making it more difficult for promoters to find safe venues to host their events. changes in trends and demographics could be another possibility .. it seems like fewer of my brother's friends are interested in going to raves these days than there were when i was in highschool .. then again there doesn't seem to be as many raves for them to go to anymore period..
the whole EDM scene here seems to have receded into clubs .. and clubs seem to be the ones that have the power and control the way the scene is now in Toronto ..
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100% True.
Before when raves were happening every single weekend, promoters could hold parties at a different venue for every event. This was one the thing that made the scene so great, each party would feel new because it wasn't at the same venue every time you went out.
Now with all the regulations and permits needed, it has become extremley hard for promoters to find new venues. I remember 3 years ago when this started to occur and a lot of ppl were getting upset with same venues being used for almost every party there was.
And since obtaining new venues is a major issue more and more ppl just stopped having as much fun as they use to and stopped going to raves altogether.
For the raves that do go on now, I think the problem is that our under 19 crowd isn't getting exposed to enough EDM genres to keep them interested. It seems like the only parties that's available to them right now consist of Happy Hardcore for the most part, Hard Trance, a little bit of psy-trance, Drum and Bass and breaks. Most of them don't know what it's like to hear Uplifting/Epic Trance, Techno, Prog. Trance and Prog. House at a party, so unless they go on the net and find more about these genres or have friends that play these genres they pretty much have no idea what these other genres are like. How do we expect our "rave scene" to be thriving when our under 19 crowd (future party ppl) isn't getting enough exposure of other EDM genres?
Another problem I know of for sure is that a lot of old school ravers enjoyed how the music sounded years ago (1999 and earlier) to how it sounds today. Some of my friends just stopped going out because they don't like how Trance sounds now with a lot of them saying that it's not nearly as good as it was in 99' and the same for jungle heads who enjoyed it alot more back in 94-98', so we have a problem here with ppl not enjoying the change in the way music has "progressed".
These are the major ploblems that I feel have dampered our scene. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
We will see massives again in Toronto again. |
This is where you lost your whole argument :rolleyes: :p
Seriously though, I don't think that that will be any time soon (even though you guys are probably on a different question by this page). I'm certainly not expecting it to be in my "partylife time". Not that I really care, cause I don't have such a big problem with Toronto's scene, only the arrogant attitude that the people in it seem to carry. |
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| crazedcanuck |
I still meet people every week who are new to the music/drugs/ and overall experience.
For these people, raves are still going, there are parties daily.. they have the curiosity and zest for fun that leads them to explore all the clubs, lounges, one-offs, etc.
As much as the scale has tipped more in favour of the clubbing majority vs the raving minority, it's still there in some sense.. when a DJ plays Prodigy's 'Out of Space', or the Inspector Gadget theme.. raving lives on.. The youth have plenty of all ages options, just on a smaller scale. If anything, the older generation has moved into the clubs, and the youth are getting together in lots of small groups @ pubs and restaurants and friends places, just like the old days.
Things go in cycles, and just because there aren't large mixed ages and types of partiers getting together in the thousands, doesn't mean it's dead.. things have progressed to one point for our age group.. but have come full-circle for the younger crowd.. they are back to small intimate events.. and when a few of those groups get together as they get more popular.. it will blow up all over again.
The peaking and backlash against the scene and the childishness of it has been well covered in this thread circa '00-'01.. and it'sbound to have another upswing.. partying, no matter the music driving it, will always be here, and will always be big business. |
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| samhouse |
I can't really comment on the rave scene since i was never a part of it...heard great things tho....
I personally love the super-club scene...big lights..big lasers...great international djs....and locals...
but then you have a place like the comfort zone...now before everyone jumps all over me, let me attempt to make my point..if i can...The zone is "underground" (mind the pun) so basically people gather there every sunday to listen to tunes..do drugs..and meet friends. The people that go there week in and week out are drawn there by its darkness because they feel comfortable in it. Those that dont feel comfortable in it..usually dont go after their first time...some dont go at all because they are afraid they might get drawn in.... where am i going with this...
?? to all the ravers..."did the rave scene of the mid 90's have that dark side to it...where you felt yourself going back week in and week out for the atomosphere?"
useless post :(
but whatever...im just killing time. |
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