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Reasons for the Death of the Rave Scene (pg. 8)
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
http://www.ishkur.com/culture/
It's strange, however, that E was made the media monster, considering meth and coke are so much worse and probably almost as widespread as E, at least in the Toronto and Montreal club scenes. Then again, I'd gladly take cokeheads over thugs, gang wars, and people getting shot by them or beaten to within an inch of their lives by overzealous bouncers.
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| Magnetonium |
Rave music died the same way disco died. And disco didnt die. It simply evolved into something else, into a better, more modern form of electronic music, underground house, retro, whatever you want to call it. So rave music didnt die either. It evolved.
Electronic music is probably the fastest evolving type of music on the planet. Who knows, maybe tomorrow we'll be talking about trance music and where it went ... |
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| Cyrus King |
Why do people always have to bash tiesto's technical skills. From what i remember, his mixing on the dozens of sets that i have of his is amazing.
Why are you people making these lies up, and then line up to see him when he comes? |
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| Sly_Guy |
I really don't think you'll see the tiesto bashers on TA line up when he comes to town.
Furthermore, why they bash tiesto's technical skills is because they feel that when tiesto spins a set, it's virtually the same set he played the previous week. His mixing may sound good, but downloading a tiesto mix recorded a week before going out to see him and you'll find most of the same mixes, hinting at the fact he's rehersed or mastered his mixes rather than going with the flow of the party and coming up with the stuff on the spot.
You'll never see the cleanest DJs in the world doing that [ie John Digweed]. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Why do people always have to bash tiesto's technical skills. From what i remember, his mixing on the dozens of sets that i have of his is amazing.
Why are you people making these lies up, and then line up to see him when he comes? |
Ive never lined up a minute to see him hehehehe |
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| DigiNut |
I'm not lining up to see Tiesto either. But it's not because he doesn't have technical skills - he does - the problem is that he doesn't USE them, he doesn't try, he doesn't even remotely give you your money's worth. He doesn't come out with a lot of good new tracks either - and don't say it's impossible to do every week, because there are DJs that do it (Christopher Lawrence and Danny Tenaglia to name a couple).
It's got nothing to do with skill, everything to do with effort.
And I'll concede it's possible that the "rock stars" also contributed to the death of the rave scene. When people go to see a DJ because they worship the ground that he walks on (as opposed to because they know he can be counted on to raise the roof), then it becomes just another rock concert and not a party. |
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| richard raiban |
its dead because ppl wont stop dressing like this (see below)
:stongue: :tongue3 :crazy: |
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by richard raiban
its dead because ppl wont stop dressing like this (see below)
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That's why you got to enforce 18+
-Your Mother |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I'm not lining up to see Tiesto either. But it's not because he doesn't have technical skills - he does - the problem is that he doesn't USE them, he doesn't try, he doesn't even remotely give you your money's worth. He doesn't come out with a lot of good new tracks either - and don't say it's impossible to do every week, because there are DJs that do it (Christopher Lawrence and Danny Tenaglia to name a couple).
It's got nothing to do with skill, everything to do with effort.
And I'll concede it's possible that the "rock stars" also contributed to the death of the rave scene. When people go to see a DJ because they worship the ground that he walks on (as opposed to because they know he can be counted on to raise the roof), then it becomes just another rock concert and not a party. |
Yup! |
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| Ishkur |
As succinctly as I could put it, in an interview with Detroit Movement Guide:
Rave Culture:
DMG: What is still working?
ISHKUR: The drugs. But they never needed help. Ironically, the things that never needed fixing we ended up breaking, and the things that were broken to begin with we decided we needed more of.
DMG: What's broke?
ISHKUR: Promoting. When you have nothing to lose you are free to do anything, take risks, branch out, do something new and inventive and creative. When you acquire something of value (money, or status), your priorities change from doing something incredible to doing something that cements your position and protects your ass. Freedom sacrificed in favor of security (haven't we all heard that before). Promoters have become complacent, safe and boring, concerned only with selling a product and maintaining their status as promoters, not celebrating a lifestyle.
DMG: What needs to be fixed?
ISHKUR: The culture of DJing. I was content with them being unobtrusive techno-shamans, called upon when needed and respectful of their role and duties. When they above everybody treated their own profession with reverence. Like a sacrilegious rite, not to be taken advantaged of.
Now they walk around like ginos, they expect special favors everywhere they go, they exploit their status for cheap gain, they think their don't stink, and they want you to idolize them for doing the technical equivalent of riding a bicycle. Too many DJs are trying to become rock stars, living icons who transcend the music. And when they do that, it's really hard to take what they do seriously.
DMG: What needs to be tossed out and replaced?
ISHKUR: Money, which caused all aforementioned things. It attracted the parasites, the leaches, the opportunists, the scum sucking hanger-ons who don't produce anything but expect to make a living off the scene without actually contributing anything of value to it.
The scene will naturally return to equilibrium, like a gyroscope, when the money leaves. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
As succinctly as I could put it, in an interview with Detroit Movement Guide:
Rave Culture:
DMG: What is still working?
ISHKUR: The drugs. But they never needed help. Ironically, the things that never needed fixing we ended up breaking, and the things that were broken to begin with we decided we needed more of.
DMG: What's broke?
ISHKUR: Promoting. When you have nothing to lose you are free to do anything, take risks, branch out, do something new and inventive and creative. When you acquire something of value (money, or status), your priorities change from doing something incredible to doing something that cements your position and protects your ass. Freedom sacrificed in favor of security (haven't we all heard that before). Promoters have become complacent, safe and boring, concerned only with selling a product and maintaining their status as promoters, not celebrating a lifestyle.
DMG: What needs to be fixed?
ISHKUR: The culture of DJing. I was content with them being unobtrusive techno-shamans, called upon when needed and respectful of their role and duties. When they above everybody treated their own profession with reverence. Like a sacrilegious rite, not to be taken advantaged of.
Now they walk around like ginos, they expect special favors everywhere they go, they exploit their status for cheap gain, they think their don't stink, and they want you to idolize them for doing the technical equivalent of riding a bicycle. Too many DJs are trying to become rock stars, living icons who transcend the music. And when they do that, it's really hard to take what they do seriously.
DMG: What needs to be tossed out and replaced?
ISHKUR: Money, which caused all aforementioned things. It attracted the parasites, the leaches, the opportunists, the scum sucking hanger-ons who don't produce anything but expect to make a living off the scene without actually contributing anything of value to it.
The scene will naturally return to equilibrium, like a gyroscope, when the money leaves. |
Interestingly said, but I still think, in fact I am convinced, that rave culture didnt die. I mean, take a look at every single stage in the evolution of electronic music, starting from disco - one evolved into another. I am talking about music. In terms of drugs - yes, the culture did die, or did it? People still do dope in clubs today. Electronic music is quickly evolving, and maybe trance will become history tomorrow, just look how fast it is changing ...[/COLOR] |
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| dallastar |
It just well be b/c of the amounts of Drugs and drinking and mixing most Raver's do! that and silly evil mad behaviour~
that's all i have to say about the death that is in the Rave scene - b/c if you find a party - treat it like a rave and it will be one for you!
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
Do you guys think that the death of the rave scene in North America is due to increased government legislation that makes it more difficult for raves to take place? Or maybe is it because North Americans are generally over their "E Honeymoon"? Or maybe is it both? Or something else?
This should inspire some good discussion.
*Disclaimer: Please no discussions on anti-smoking laws, liberals, hot asian girls, BMWs, or personal philosophies on life. Thank you. |
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