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| svens_bath |
| quote: | Originally posted by flavdave
The Rock the Vote campaign is a grassroots/activist organization whose purpose is to raise awareness of the election process, and it isn't sponsored by the US government. |
yeah well the point still stands. |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cinos
Voting is fun, no matter who is elected, I get to laugh. |
hahaha, very true |
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| torontotrance |
| Don't all countries laugh at some point because even in Sweden like Dj Cinos, you vote in the worst of the two evils. That's usually the case, you vote for which politician, you hate the least. |
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| Radagast |
| The problem I see with all these "Vote Or Die" and "Rock The Vote" schemes is that they are sending the message to young people "Just vote, period". This means they will vote without being informed on the candidates. A misinformed vote is worse than no vote at all. In the words of Matt Stone "Don't vote to just vote, if you're not informed about the candidates you shouldn't be voting." |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
The problem I see with all these "Vote Or Die" and "Rock The Vote" schemes is that they are sending the message to young people "Just vote, period". This means they will vote without being informed on the candidates. A misinformed vote is worse than no vote at all. In the words of Matt Stone "Don't vote to just vote, if you're not informed about the candidates you shouldn't be voting." |
Quite the contrary. Those campaigns actually do preach making informed decisions. They usually point voters into the direction about finding more about the canidates platforms. |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
Don't all countries laugh at some point because even in Sweden like Dj Cinos, you vote in the worst of the two evils. That's usually the case, you vote for which politician, you hate the least. |
Giant douche vs. Turd sandwich :p
And as for your thoughts on Bono and other celebrities voicing their political opinions, I can see how people don't like it, especially if they are paying for a concert. For the most part though, you are getting more entertainment for your money than political discourse. In the past year I've been to see Pearl Jam twice and Neil Young once, arguably two of the most political artists in mainstream music today, and while they did speak out, it wasn't too overwhelming. I don't see anything wrong with them sharing their opinions because I would not want someone to tell me that it was wrong to share my opinions with people. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by flavdave
Quite the contrary. Those campaigns actually do preach making informed decisions. They usually point voters into the direction about finding more about the canidates platforms. |
The goal of both 'Rock The Vote' and 'Vote Or Die' is the same: simply to get a great number of people to vote whether they are informed or not.
Diddy(in an interview with Hillary Clinton): "Well, we're gonna make you proud this year. We're gonna come out in numbers you've never seen before. And we thank you for your time."
Quote from rockthevote.com: "The goal of Rock the Vote’s media campaigns and street team activities is to increase youth voter turnout." |
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| torontotrance |
| But some artists won't stfu, like Bruce Springsteen and Bono's verbatim gets pointless. They got big being musicians not politicians, that's my point. Politicians are voted in and I don't see either running for any office :stongue: |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
The goal of Both Rock The Vote and Vote Or Die is the same: simply to get a great number of people to vote whether they are informed or not.
Diddy(in an interview with Hillary Clinton): "Well, we're gonna make you proud this year. We're gonna come out in numbers you've never seen before. And we thank you for your time."
Quote from rockthevote.com: "The goal of Rock the Vote’s media campaigns and street team activities is to increase youth voter turnout." |
Since you visited the Rock the Vote website, you probably saw the information provided to prospective voters as to why they should vote and which issues are being discussed. They are not telling people to vote without using their head. |
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| flavdave |
Oh, and from the Citizen Change/Vote or Die website...
"Citizen Change is a non-partisan, non-profit organization with a mission to educate, motivate, and empower millions of young Americans to access their power and vote November 2nd."
And you can even order one of their morbid tshirts.
http://www.kintera.org/site/apps/ka...ategoryID=45340 |
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| starlabs |
1) Music and politics. Musicians have had a long history of attempting social, political change through their music. Just look at the 60s and Vietnam war and all the anti-war music. Yes, it *does* have an effect. Maybe not directly, but it can shift the political mood and atmosphere, and over time can make a significant difference.
2) As for the point about PVD being German and should butt out - I don't necessarily agree. The world is becoming a much more global arena now, and if his aid will help increase voter turnout, I'm all for it. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by flavdave
Oh, and from the Citizen Change/Vote or Die website...
"Citizen Change is a non-partisan, non-profit organization with a mission to educate, motivate, and empower millions of young Americans to access their power and vote November 2nd."
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That's all well and good, except for after that short passage you quote there, the entire description goes on to detail how P. Diddy promotes "the urgency to vote", voting being literally a matter of "life or death", and how he does this by "attacking" various news organizations and college campuses. Then it goes on with some statistics showing how few young people are registered to vote, not how few are informed or misinformed.
Here are some more quotes from your site there:
| quote: | | producer and designer Sean “P. Diddy” Combs, Citizen Change has one mission: to make voting hot, sexy and relevant to a generation that hasn't reached full participation in the political process. |
I've seen plenty of hot and sexy, but little if anything that's relevant. Have you?
| quote: | | Jay-Z, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jamie Foxx, Ellen DeGeneres, Ashton Kutcher, 50 Cent, Mary J. Blige and Drew Barrymore. Together they will spin the infectious message of Vote or Die! to every corner of youth culture, resonating the importance and sexiness of being politically informed and active. If you are young you will have no choice but to join the movement. |
So join the "movement" because Jay-Z tells you to, be sexy, and be sure to make yourself informed also! I have no choice, 50 cent demands me to vote. Let me tell you, people who need Ashton Kutcher to tell them to vote shouldn't be voting either. Any message of being "informed" these organizations profess are always overshadowed by their main goal of garnering as many voters as possible in as short a time as possible by using star power, as seen in this quote taken from your website yet again:
| quote: | | The same way we would market a Biggie Album, a Sean John sweat suit or a Spiderman movie will be the same way we promote the urgency to vote on Election Day. |
Give me a break. In their own words, they're marketing the vote as if it were one of their albums that they want to sell to as many people as possible. People who listen to their music without being informed will vote without being informed. |
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