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Question about system soundbar (pg. 7)
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
back to topic now,so ya I might go to system to check out Dave the Drumer ;) |
:eek: :p Have fun man.
I'll be @ Guv on Sat most likely. As for the club "fights" in here...
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Go wherever the you want to. PERIOD. Stop bitching and whining like you're 12 and aren't getting what you want. Hell I want there to be NO last call in Toronto and the scene to be how it is in Europe here but it WON'T happen anytime soon so I don't even bother thinking about it. FFS.:whip: |
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| maxpain |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
The Guvernment is successful because during the 1999-2004 years, it had somewhat of a monopoly on the Toronto club scene. After rave died and massive city venues were banned, the Guvernment was really the only place capable of hosting very large dance music events.
Now the Toronto club scene is starting to get its act together. Boa is out there and kicking butt. System Soundbar is doing upgrades to one thing or another every 6 months. The Docks is starting to throw big parties and seems quite popular as a "rave" venue with Destiny and other promoters. And a bunch of new clubs are springing up all over the city like Arc and Republik.
This all happened within the past year. We haven't really seen the effects of it yet.
Rest assured, Guv is going to start losing its success very rapidly to other clubs, and it will be BECAUSE of its attitude toward customers. But unless your definition of "success" is based solely on profits then that's not going to be enough. Either they're going to have to use the Kool Haus *A LOT* more in the near future or they are going to become just another dirty downtown sketch hole that "in the know" people don't give a about.
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Your comments were amongst the stupidest I have ever heard but it's time for a little history lesson Diginutsucker.
First off BOA had over 1200+ people this past Saturday and THE GUVERNMENT was still rammed so both clubs can obviously co exist and there is a market for both. SYSTEM SOUNDBAR has been around for a while so stop acting like it just opened last week or is some struggling club which is now magically started to do well when it has been doing well for a while now. SYSTEM SOUNDBAR has been very successful over the years even before any upgrades while THE GUVERNMENT has also enjoyed a lot of success and both have co existed and done well and will continue to do so.
THE DOCKS has also been around for a very long time and this is not the first time in history where they have thrown big parties and this is not the first time in history where it has been a popular "rave" venue. In case you haven't noticed THE DOCKS doesn't hold electronic events on a regular basis and does it once in a while and not weekly and also in case you didn't know the owners of THE DOCKS and THE GUVERNMENT are very good friends and they actually own a flea market together so there is no beef between THE DOCKS and THE GUVERNMENT whom have both been very successful over the years and co-existed very nicely.
ARC which was formerly LOTUS is not doing as well as LOTUS did and even when LOTUS was at it's highest peak of success, both LOTUS and THE GUVERNMENT were still both doing very well and co-existing.
As for you saying that REPUBLIK would also help destroy THE GUVERNMENT I would have to once again disagree with you because REPUBLIK will have a capacity of 1500 so its hard to make comparisions in this case because of sheer numbers and the sizes of both clubs. I'm sure that in this case REPUBLIK and THE GUVERNMENT will both do well and co-exist and I think that there is a market for clubs clubs to survive and do well.
Also THE GUVERNMENT did very well and was still successful when INDUSTRY was around and both clubs were able to prosper and do well and co-exist. THE GUVERNMENT also managed to do very well and be successful when MEOW which was another very popular club which did have a very large capacity was around and once again both clubs were very successful and co-existed. When LUCID opened people tried to say that it would be a big threat to THE GUVERNMENT yet GUV has still been as successful as ever.
So Diginutsucker don't hold your breath waiting for THE GUVERNMENT to be destroyed and die anytime soon because THE GUVERNMENT is not closing down or dying anytime soon so you can off with your weak arguement!!!!!!:whip: ;)
THE GUVERNMENT, IT'S NOT A NIGHTCLUB, IT'S A LEGEND!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Skipper |
Guv won't die because of boa. The target markets are quite different.
I think what Aaron is suggesting is that the part of the market that has been going to Guv for special events and to hear particular guest DJs will start to go elsewhere - not only because they can be treated better elsewhere, but because those special events are starting to be held in other venues. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by maxpain
If THE GUVERNMENT has such a ty attitude towards customers then how could it have survived for 8+ years |
Holy dude, I just spent a whole paragraph explaining why that argument makes no sense, AND YOU REPEAT IT!!! Are you dyslexic or just plain retarded?
The point of this debate, which you still have yet to counter, is that the Guvernment "survived 8+ years" not on customer service but on an otherwise stagnant club scene.
Not once did I claim that Boa would put the Guvernment out of business. Rather, Boa is merely one of many clear signs that the scene in general here is not stagnant anymore. It's taking off, and very quickly, and anyone with half a brain can see that it's only a matter of time before enough other clubs spring up to eliminate the "need" for the Guvernment. One 1500-capacity club may not hold the regular Saturday night attendance, but ten 1500-capacity clubs certainly will. And unfortunately for you, service isn't an "industry-wide" problem as you imagine it to be; virtually every other club in the city, with the possible exception of Lucid, handles it just fine.
The sketch crowd will keep going to the Guvernment because it suits them and because they can get away with anything there. But if that's what you consider "success", then you might as well invest your money into a titty bar instead.
Are you getting it? Your argument keeps begging the question, "how could Guv survive for so long with ty customer service". I answered that question, twice now. Please don't ask it again and make yourself look like even more of an idiot. |
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| maxpain |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
The point of this debate, which you still have yet to counter, is that the Guvernment "survived 8+ years" not on customer service but on an otherwise stagnant club scene.
Not once did I claim that Boa would put the Guvernment out of business. Rather, Boa is merely one of many clear signs that the scene in general here is not stagnant anymore. It's taking off, and very quickly, and anyone with half a brain can see that it's only a matter of time before enough other clubs spring up to eliminate the "need" for the Guvernment. One 1500-capacity club may not hold the regular Saturday night attendance, but ten 1500-capacity clubs certainly will. And unfortunately for you, service isn't an "industry-wide" problem as you imagine it to be; virtually every other club in the city, with the possible exception of Lucid, handles it just fine.
The sketch crowd will keep going to the Guvernment because it suits them and because they can get away with anything there. But if that's what you consider "success", then you might as well invest your money into a titty bar instead.
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Out of all of the clubs you listed that would supposidly help kill off THE GUVERNMENT only one hasn't opened yet and that one is REPUBLIK which has a capacity of 1500 and yet you are trying to say that if 10 clubs with the capacity of 1500 open up then THE GUVERNMENT is in trouble but this arguement is only a hypathetical one and isn't reality and therefore it isn't valid because there isn't 10 REPUBLIK type of clubs opening up all at once and only one opening up and the other clubs you mentioned have been around for a while now and have done well over the years and co-existed with THE GUVERNMENT. Until 10 more REPULBIK type of clubs open up all at once which have the capacity of 1500+ or if REPUBLIK some how increases their capacity to 10 000+ (which will not happen) then you can start making comparisions and bring talks but until then STFU!!!!!!
So you are saying that service isn't an industry wide problem and are basically saying that every club has great customer service except for THE GUVERNMENT and maybe LUCID. You still haven't been able to explain to me how so many ex GUVERNMENT employees have been able to get such high positions at other clubs and how many of them have gone on to have a lot of success at other clubs if THE GUVERNMENT has such horrible customer service?? How would anyone get hired at another club as head of security if THE GUVERNMENT had such a bad reputation with customer service? How would people have been able to become top promoters and bartenders ect. at other clubs and in the city if GUVERNMENT employees have such bad people skills and customer service?
You have come out and said that THE GUVERNMENT and it's employees have amongst the worst customer service and people skills in the city which is a really generalized statement and have not given any specific examples of this after making such a vague statement.
If you think that club owners are opening up clubs for fun or out of bordom or just for the of it to kill time or for some reason other than making money then you are sadly mistaken and know nothing about this industry which is a BUSINESS in case you haven't noticed!:rolleyes: :tongue3By the way I have been involved in this industry since I was 16 in both Europe and here and have yet to see some sort of an "upscale" afterhours that doesn't have a "sketch" crowd in one way or another so cut the bull unless you know some afterhours which is comparable to THIS IS LONDON or EASY ON THE FIFTH which I don't believe exists:rolleyes: |
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| Skipper |
I enjoy how you capitalize THE GUVERNMENT and REPUBLIK.
Is it some ineffective promotional tactic or something? |
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| Kytracid |
LOL - Well that was certainly entairtaining at 8:30 in the morning. The Guv gets bashed a lot, but i'm pretty sure it's business isn't going to suffer. I'm not a Guvaholic, but it does have some problems which it needs to address (this is true of almost every club though). I could personally do with more crowd control during the big events, and more polite security, but then again when i think about other big clubs i've been to, they have been no different.
Big Clubs + Big Events = Big Crowds
I agree with a few sentiments that people in Toronto do complain a little too much about factors that just can not be avoided. They could cap off the number of people who go to the Guv, but then you'd get people bitching about how they weren't allowed in, etc.
The sketch factor is again something that shouldn't really be an issue. EVERY club i've been to in TO (Guv, Viva, Boa, System, CZ) has been sketchy when it comes time to leave. If a club doesn't have the sketchy component it's probably not a very good dance club (at least to me). I'm not sure why anyone should care about sketchiness unless it is somehow directly effecting you -- and even if that happens, you deal with it - cause it's not really the clubs fault that people are doing drugs (i know it is -- but hell, which dance club doesn't know people are doing drugs while they are there ?)
Finally, i'm not sure any club currently operating in TO can ever replace the Guv. There is something about the super clubs that a small-medium sized club can just never replicate. Service aside...partying alongside 6000 people ( or however many the Guv crams through its doors) is not the same as 1500.
I'm over the massive parties myself -- but hell, once in a while i don't mind going to a super party with just a sea of partiers have a good time. |
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| maxpain |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
I enjoy how you capitalize THE GUVERNMENT and REPUBLIK.
Is it some ineffective promotional tactic or something? |
In case you haven't noticed I do capitalize the names of EVERY club I mention so keep your eyes open and your mouth shut:rolleyes: :tongue3 :stongue: |
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| Kytracid |
^^^^^^
Easy there tiger, no need to get all riled -- she's not bald ! :tongue2
:haha: on the pwnage though... |
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| maxpain |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kytracid
^^^^^^
Easy there tiger, no need to get all riled -- she's not bald ! :tongue2
:haha: on the pwnage though... |
It doesn't matter if they have a full head of hair like a rock star or are as bald as Mr.Clean, anyone who wants to come out and make smart ass comments which don't make sense will still end up feeling the PAIN!!!!! When people make stupid comments no one is spared :whip: ;) :toocool: :happy2: |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by maxpain
Out of all of the clubs you listed that would supposidly help kill off THE GUVERNMENT only one hasn't opened yet and that one is REPUBLIK which has a capacity of 1500 and yet you are trying to say that if 10 clubs with the capacity of 1500 open up then THE GUVERNMENT is in trouble but this arguement is only a hypathetical one and isn't reality and therefore it isn't valid because there isn't 10 REPUBLIK type of clubs opening up all at once and only one opening up and the other clubs you mentioned have been around for a while now and have done well over the years and co-existed with THE GUVERNMENT. Until 10 more REPULBIK type of clubs open up all at once which have the capacity of 1500+ or if REPUBLIK some how increases their capacity to 10 000+ (which will not happen) then you can start making comparisions and bring talks but until then STFU!!!!!!
So you are saying that service isn't an industry wide problem and are basically saying that every club has great customer service except for THE GUVERNMENT and maybe LUCID. You still haven't been able to explain to me how so many ex GUVERNMENT employees have been able to get such high positions at other clubs and how many of them have gone on to have a lot of success at other clubs if THE GUVERNMENT has such horrible customer service?? How would anyone get hired at another club as head of security if THE GUVERNMENT had such a bad reputation with customer service? How would people have been able to become top promoters and bartenders ect. at other clubs and in the city if GUVERNMENT employees have such bad people skills and customer service?
You have come out and said that THE GUVERNMENT and it's employees have amongst the worst customer service and people skills in the city which is a really generalized statement and have not given any specific examples of this after making such a vague statement.
If you think that club owners are opening up clubs for fun or out of bordom or just for the of it to kill time or for some reason other than making money then you are sadly mistaken and know nothing about this industry which is a BUSINESS in case you haven't noticed!:rolleyes: :tongue3By the way I have been involved in this industry since I was 16 in both Europe and here and have yet to see some sort of an "upscale" afterhours that doesn't have a "sketch" crowd in one way or another so cut the bull unless you know some afterhours which is comparable to THIS IS LONDON or EASY ON THE FIFTH which I don't believe exists:rolleyes: |
Words can't describe how large an imbecile you are. Do you read your posts before you submit them?
Business owners can serve their customers and keep an eye on the bottom line at the same time. It's not that difficult.
"Sketchiness" in the context of the Guv does not refer to people simply doing drugs. This discussion's been had several times on the forum, and the word in this connotation refers to a whole load of drug-induced bad behaviour, mostly by G monkeys and coke heads and people doing other weird like PCP or Dartura, starting fights or trying to rape girls on the dance floor. Staff at other clubs try not to let THOSE drugs into the club (have a good look at one of Boa's many "Zero tolerance for GHB" signs), and if they do get in and the starts to hit the fan, those staff are generally able to diffuse the situation rather than adding to it like the Guv employees do.
I'm not even going to answer the rest of that post, I'm only going to ask you one question Max: Why the can't you grow the balls to admit that you work for the Guvernment? I remember last summer we had a Boa promoter, PartyHarlequin, on the boards and everyone was giving him even though he ADMITTED straight up that he promoted for them. You on the other hand keep ing dodging the question or even lying outright - well you, it's time to stop being a ing and own up to the you've stirred on here.
If your next post isn't a confession then it's onto ignore you go. Your rants aren't welcome here until you tell us who the hell you are. |
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| Floorwhore |
| quote: | Originally posted by maxpain
When people make stupid comments no one is spared :whip: ;) |
Good thing Diginut is continuing to send the pain your way.
:D |
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