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| Jayx1 |
| It would be interesting for sure. |
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| bass drive |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Im not saying that immigrants claiming another heritage is a problem. It's their kids who are fully born and raised here thats ridiculous. |
I understand what you are saying, and you have the right to be annoyed ;) |
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by SurrJRS
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I AM NOT CANADIAN
Gui Québecois
I'm not unemployed, or smuggling cigarettes across the border
I don't eat Pepsi and Mae West for breakfast
I don't watch the hockey game while doing it doggy style.
And no, I don't know Claude, Manon or Francois in Abitibi-Temiscamingue,
but I'm sure they have nice teeth
I smoke in church
I speak Quebecois and Jouale, not French or English
I pronounce it 'turd' not 'third'
And eating french fries with cheese makes sense, mon oesti!
I believe in distinct society as long as someone else pays for it
I believe in language police not equal rights
And caulice, I believe that Club Supersexe is an appropriate place for my wife and me to celebrate our anniversaire, what the hell, she goes on at ten anyway!
In Quebec, the Stanley Cup actually comes around more often than Halley's Comet
I can get beer at the Dépanneur, not the convenience store!
And maybe I can't turn right on a red light, but tabarnacle! I can go right through it!
Because Quebec is the world's largest producer of maple syrup,
the home of Celine Dion AND Roch Voisine
The land where everybody is shacking up
And the drinking age is just a suggestion!
Je m'appelle Gui
And I am NOT Canadian! (Mautadit tabarnacle oesti...) [/QUOTE]
Dat is rite...my pairent r from dat grate ry of Quebec...boat my muder & fuder are from dere but my fuder was trancefered to dis english city by is company and so I did not ave a choice in de mahter...and wat a welcome I ad...after a mont or 2, I was bitten in da face by a big chien (mots dit:mad: )
I ave to admit dough dat I really like my trance addikt in ear :tongue2
Merci et a tout a leur |
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cuzo
IF ITS NO SUPEHR SEXE, ITS NOT SEXE!!! |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Its not so much cheering for other countries. |
well, you were kinda indicating that with this sentence: ;)
| quote: | | And if i moved to france and had kids and raised them there id smack them if i ever saw them waving a Canadian flag during a Canada vs France soccer game for example. |
| quote: | | It's claiming to be another heritage even though you arent. Would you ever go back to Sweden and claim to be Canadian because you lived here and learned the language? Why not? You qualify way more to be Canadian based on the same critria that others use to claim some other form of heritage. At least you've actually been and lived here! |
I agree in a way, but in a way not.
I think that the reason why people say that they are Polish, even tho they have never been in Poland, is because 1. Their families are from their, hence their "blood is polish" 2. Even tho you live in canada, you still maintain your polish traditions so you still have a rough idea of what polish is, you might also have polish values, and probably spend a lot of time with polish people (people who you might like more than people from other cultures).
so even tho you have never been to that country, you belong to their culture (at least the canadian version of it), and hence you also say that you are from there.
I was more of an opinion of yours before, but when i moved to canada i somehow realized how the immigrants think. But you have also been living in another country but i guess our experiences might be different.
| quote: | Don't deny where the family comes from but more importantly do not deny who YOU are and where you are now.
My heart and soul are Canadian because i grew up here and any opportunity provided to me is because of here. NOT holland, england, scotland, france and where ever else someone in my family in the past happened to live. |
Well, thats cool that you feel like that, and many feel like you too! But some dont, and its nothing wrong with that! |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Blood? Heart? Hell, you can transplant those, they're not unique. Soul? It's imaginary, or at best symbolic. |
Wow ur ED if u truly feel this way..... Soul IMAGINARY/SYMBOLIC?!?
Again, WOW!!!! Good luck in life dood - ur gonna need it without a soul....
| quote: | | Genes? Your parents had genes too, but you're obviously willing to define THEIR nationality on where THEY LIVED. Either you base background on genetics or you base it on where a person was raised, you can't just base it on whichever one happens to make you feel important at any given moment. |
GROSSLY misinterpreting me.... My WHOLE POINT is I base it on GENES
AND what I FEEL (hence, soul). I always believed you CANT tell someone what they are - they are WHATEVER they SAY THEY ARE.
Who are we to tell one who/what they are?
FYI, my parents STILL have genes, and they're Croatian. So i even back
my claim up COMPLETELY:D
| quote: | | Nobody should be proud of the fact that they're living in a foreign country and haven't fully integrated with its culture. |
Believe me, you dont know me at all. My familly has integrated into
Canada just fine, myself included. But that doesnt mean i have to
BLINDLY now be Canadian and TOTALLY forget my heritage/roots.
Again, I dont tell ANYONE what they are, or where they're from, or what they SHOULD be..... be what YOU wanna be.
and I AM and ALWAYS WILL BE 100% Croatian:D
Thats shouldnt be too hard to accept....
PS. I've been to Croatia 10 (yes TEN) times in my life.
Speak the language FLUENTLY, practice our cultures/customs,
have about 95% of my relatives there, and am moving back
within a year.... |
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| TrueToTheCrew |
| Italian here. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
Wow ur ED if u truly feel this way..... Soul IMAGINARY/SYMBOLIC?!?
Again, WOW!!!! Good luck in life dood - ur gonna need it without a soul.... |
im not saying that there is one, or that there isnt... but i still dont see why you couldnt have a perfectly good life without a soul. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
I think that the reason why people say that they are Polish, even tho they have never been in Poland, is because 1. Their families are from their, hence their "blood is polish" 2. Even tho you live in canada, you still maintain your polish traditions so you still have a rough idea of what polish is, you might also have polish values, and probably spend a lot of time with polish people (people who you might like more than people from other cultures). |
You see the obvious problem with #1 though - someone who takes that attitude is essentially saying that their *parents'* nationality is defined by where they lived but *their* nationality is defined by "blood"... I mean, pick one and stick with it!
#2 I can understand but I just don't think that's anything to be proud of. It's okay for a first-generation immigrant to want to stick to their values, but they really should be making a conscientious effort to teach their children the values of the country that they are citizens to. If you had kids in 10 years here, wouldn't you teach them that *they* are Canadian, even if they have some Swedish *heritage*? |
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| amb_ |
| What does being Canadian mean (other than citizenship or nationality)? |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You see the obvious problem with #1 though - someone who takes that attitude is essentially saying that their *parents'* nationality is defined by where they lived but *their* nationality is defined by "blood"... I mean, pick one and stick with it! |
The difference tho is that their polish blood is probably many hundreds or thousands of years, while if you are a 2 generation immigrant in canada, your canadian blood is only 20 years or so. But I think that most 3rd generation immigrants would consider themselves canadians, with a irish, dutch, swedish, whatever herritage.
I personally couldnt care less about where my blood is from. But some people go more by feeling rather than logical arguments, and well i respect that even tho i dont agree with it.
| quote: | | #2 I can understand but I just don't think that's anything to be proud of. It's okay for a first-generation immigrant to want to stick to their values, but they really should be making a conscientious effort to teach their children the values of the country that they are citizens to. If you had kids in 10 years here, wouldn't you teach them that *they* are Canadian, even if they have some Swedish *heritage*? |
If I as a first generation immigrant in canada have swedish values, you think i would teach other values than what i believe in to my children? Probably not. What would happend tho is that i would have a slight change in my values, which would reflect my children's values, and their values would change even more towards the canadian society since they live here, and their children even more, and after a while they would have "truly canadian values". How long time that takes depends on how much they: agree with in the canadian society, hang out with other people than people from their culture etc
that said, i would never give my children any idea that they are not really canadian, if i moved here, then canada must clearly be better than all other places i have lived in, so then i should also teach them that! I couldnt care less tho if they cheered for sweden in a hockey game, if they had a swedish flag on their shirt or whatever tho ;)
but imagine the sitation yourself, you get a really high paid job in saudi arabia, you go there and you enjoy it. You also bring your wife and after 2 years you get a dougther, would you raise her as a housewife without any real meaning in life except serving her husband, or would you raise her with canadian values, that she is equally worth and with the same possibilities as her brother (assuming you got a son too :p)?
and i dont really get why its so bad that people maintain their values, often if they keep it even after seeing how something else works their values might make more sense than the canadian ones (as the canadian values would make sense for your daughter in saudi arabia).
I dont know if you ever lived in another country, but since i came to canada i have seen so many things that doesnt make sense, things that people do simply because thats how it always has been, and they are so into that they dont want to change and that they think that it would be the worst thing ever if it changed, when it infact might be the best thing for them. I have also discovered a lot of weird things that we do in sweden, by seeing what you do better here. Traditions make you blind, but when you see how it can work instead, then you probably change, at least most people do.
and as long as they follow the fundemental rights and all the laws that the country belive in, then it couldnt matter less what food they eat, what traditions they have, what soccerteam they cheer on etc etc |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
im not saying that there is one, or that there isnt... but i still dont see why you couldnt have a perfectly good life without a soul. |
I truly feel sorry for u guys.....
You wouldnt be ALIVE without your soul.:rolleyes: |
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