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Roll Call: TOTA Atheist Thread (pg. 13)
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Dude...Edgar Cayce is well documented and scientifically known. He's definately no crack head.
Did you even stop to think about your reply...b/c you've just confirmed his opening point...that athiests can be ignorant :sadgreen:
Next time take the time to research and think b4 u post an opinion like that :( |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce
Read this and think b4 u post |
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| infinity HiGH |
| LOL, the elitism in this thread is unbelievable. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| You're all going to Hell. |
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| Espresso |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
You're all going to Hell. |
i thought we're already there?!?!
:haha: :haha: :haha: |
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| preppie chick |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
You're all going to Hell. |
if it's open bar, i'm there. |
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| bARTovsky |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
You're all going to Hell. |
I'm on the guestlist,
do I get line bypass? |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Espresso
sorry it's not my view of spiritualty it's the definition of the word spirtuality.the new age cult hijacks religious terms and uses them in their own-defined context:
words like spirit, self realization, devine, celestial, and so on are all defined in religious context and have a very specific meaning.
now if new age ppl want to borrow them, alienate them from their original meaning and use them, well their just fooling themsleves, they are religious terms.
why don't they invent words that describe their beliefs (in the non relgious context)?
with all respect, you can believe whatever you want to, but what you claim is a theory with nothing to back it, and also it's unfortunately irrelavent to my original post, since i claimed that spirtuality pertains to religion and hence one can not claim to be spritual but not religious.you're taliking about god and energy, what's that to do with "spirit" or "soul"? energy is a form of matter , for your information, spirit and soul are not.
what's the source and nature of this energy you talk about? what form does it posses? is it light, heat, nuclear energy? how and when was it created? who controls this energy? can we measure it? could we merge negatively
thanks for your concerns, but i'm familiar with the concepts of the new age movement, it's based on borrowing religious concepts and using every possible way to explain them , with focus on avoiding to call it religion (FYI all the concepts you mentioned here about union of energy are borrowed from hiduism Vedanta: the puruna and prakshati in the Opanishads, they've been renamed and simplified so modern man can understand it , thanks to Carl Gustav Yung!). if i need to know about the universe i'll go straight to the source, not a second hand digested version. :) hope that explains. |
Though you believe that you are familiar with the concept of new age...you do not have a full understanding of it yet. New age is not a theory that needs to be backed up. It is a way of life. It is a strive to communicate and live a happier existance amongst each other.
Spirituality does not pertain to religion. Religion made spirituality pertain to it. It is your perception that is having a hard time understanding this difference...and I did not say I believed in a God. I said I respected those that believed in a God and prefer not to challenge their beliefs, in order to draw from their experiences.
About my energy...it is what I feel when I meet people or what I feel when I am in a particular situation/place. I know what feels right and what feels wrong. We all have that ability. Whatever you want to call it, it is a feeling that draws me closer or farther away.
Example: Haven't you ever been in a room and decided that you must speak to that person tonight or been in a situation where you've felt that something is not right or that something wrong will happen. These are examples of positive and negative energy. We all posses this ability. Some just choose to ignore that inner feeling.
As to your specific questions: "how and when was it created?" Why do u feel the need to question what is naturally in you...why does it even matter...I was born with it. We are all born with it. Just accept it. "who controls this energy?" I do...it comes from within. I either allow it to come into me and affect me or I don't allow it to. "can we measure it?" Why do you need to...it's not as if you can measure everything in life. And what will you accomplish by measuring it. "could we merge negatively" of course we can...we're doing that now. Obstinate behaviour is a form of negative energy.
BTW so that we are clear, I don't borrow religious concepts. I don't need to. I follow what my inner voice tells me is right and what is wrong. I also explain energy in terms that others understand. Since most can only understand religious words then I use that to describe our feelings and experiences rather than needlessly create new words that will confuse.
Perhaps it's best that you read the first 2 books of the Celestial Prophecy to gain a better understanding of what I am trying to describe. Though many religions have denounced the book, it is definately worth the read. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
You're all going to Hell. |
I tried to find this "Club Hell." I n looked around forever, then i finally asked someone... turns out it doesnt exist! :wtf: gah! |
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| Espresso |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Though you believe that you are familiar with the concept of new age...you most definately are not. New age is not a theory that needs to be backed up. It is a way of life. It is a strive to communicate and live a happier existance amongst each other.
Spirituality does not pertain to religion. Religion made spirituality pertain to it. It is your perception that is having a hard time understanding this difference...and I did not say I believed in a God. I said I respected those that believed in a God and prefer not to challenge their beliefs, in order to draw from their experiences.
About my energy...it is what I feel when I meet people or what I feel when I am in a particular sitation/place. I know what feels right and what feels wrong. We all have that ability. Whatever you want to call it, it is a feeling that draws me closer or farther away.
Example: Haven't you ever been in a room and decided that you must speak to that person tonight or been in a situation where you've felt that something is not right or that something wrong will happen. These are examples of positive and negative energy. We all posses this ability. Some just choose to ignore that inner feeling.
As to your specific questions: "how and when was it created?" Why do u feel the need to question what is naturally in you...why does it even matter...I was born with it. We are all born with it. Just accept it. "who controls this energy?" I do...it comes from within. I either allow it to come into me and affect me or I don't allow it to. "can we measure it?" Why do you need to...it's not as if you can measure everything in life. And what will you accomplish by measuring it. "could we merge negatively" of course we can...we're doing that now. Obstinate behaviour is a form of negative energy.
BTW so that we are clear, I don't borrow religious concepts. I don't need to. I follow what my inner voice tells me is right and what is wrong. I also explain energy in terms that others understand. Since most can only understand religious words then I use that to describe our feelings and experiences rather than needlessly create new words that will confuse. |
with all respect,it's great , and i wish you best luck with your guiding energy (which by the way could be wrong so you might end up in the ditch?!) which you've surrended yourself to and completely trust a vague thing which you can't even define! ("I follow what my inner voice tells me is right"? where is this inner voice located? inner meaning inside the body? mind? well Schizofrens do the same thing and end up doing crazy things, doesn't mean we can trust what we hear)
i just want to know when you're dead drunk, or wasted, if your "inner voice" tels you to kill someone, or steal or do something really ed up, how are you going to control it? since it's not clear where it comes from? and when you're wasted your brains are not going to function properly!! how can you judge with a dysfunctional drunken mind what is "right" and what is wrong?
not good guidance if you ask me
and i didn't say you borrow, i cleary stated "new age cult" borrows it.
you seem to make big claims like "Spirituality does not pertain to religion. Religion made spirituality pertain to it" which is not true, because you overlook my reasoning and logic about the abuse of the term "spirtuality" and come up with vague definitions.and then again where did this "spiritually" come from? i mean historically? can't come from new age ppl, because as far as i know it was around since religion was around! so if you claim spiriutality is independent from religion answer my question.
and regarding new age, well, i'm sorry! but i think there's no point in continuing this debate as you don't seem to know what you are talking about!
if you cared to check it out though, please check the history of the new age link
maybe that would help you understand that your definition of new age is totally personal and madeup and worst it's wrong! |
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| b4k-oz |
LOL...have you realized you have a superiority complex? You should look after those issues.
Firstly, I don't get drunk or wasted. Never have and never will...and I can safely say that there is no mental illness in my family...but then I was never talking about killing people like you were. Wow, it's no wonder you can't understand anything I've said...cuz u have no respect for others beliefs and that negative outlook on life must be a stressful thing to carry around all day long.
When I said I try to live a righteous life, I meant that I know the difference with the obvious rights and wrongs of the world. I know not to steal, kill etc. etc.....I'm sorry if you can't understand this but I'm especially sorry u feel bitter towards me for not feeling the need to justify myself to you.
I suspect a person of your character doesn't need my input in your life...you seem to know it all...and for you everything must be found in a book (it obviously was never preconcieved and then written down)...why it must be like you said "I don't know what I'm talking about" thank you for enlightening me. I'm sure your disdainful communication skills must win you lots of friends and earn you much respect. Way to go.
Neways...whatever it is that your looking for in life I hope you find it. That is assuming that you know what your looking for in your life?
| quote: | Originally posted by Espresso
with all respect,it's great , and i wish you best luck with your guiding energy (which by the way could be wrong so you might end up in the ditch?!) which you've surrended yourself to and completely trust a vague thing which you can't even define! ("I follow what my inner voice tells me is right"? where is this inner voice located? inner meaning inside the body? mind? well Schizofrens do the same thing and end up doing crazy things, doesn't mean we can trust what we hear)
i just want to know when you're dead drunk, or wasted, if your "inner voice" tels you to kill someone, or steal or do something really ed up, how are you going to control it? since it's not clear where it comes from? and when you're wasted your brains are not going to function properly!! how can you judge with a dysfunctional drunken mind what is "right" and what is wrong?
not good guidance if you ask me
and i didn't say you borrow, i cleary stated "new age cult" borrows it.
you seem to make big claims like "Spirituality does not pertain to religion. Religion made spirituality pertain to it" which is not true, because you overlook my reasoning and logic about the abuse of the term "spirtuality" and come up with vague definitions.and then again where did this "spiritually" come from? i mean historically? can't come from new age ppl, because as far as i know it was around since religion was around! so if you claim spiriutality is independent from religion answer my question.
and regarding new age, well, i'm sorry! but i think there's no point in continuing this debate as you don't seem to know what you are talking about!
if you cared to check it out though, please check the history of the new age link
maybe that would help you understand that your definition of new age is totally personal and madeup and worst it's wrong! |
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| b4k-oz |
Actually I've read it...and I've heard of EC and his organization before. I suppose it's all subject to each individuals interpretations.
There are no negatives in the link you posted. As a matter of fact it even says in it "it is generally agreed that Cayce was thus not likely a conscious fraud."
Now why would you want to make Cacey out to be a villain? Why does it bother you that much when someone exists that may have helped others. Why can you not accept that there are people who help others? |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
Actually I've read it...and I've heard of EC and his organization before. I suppose it's all subject to each individuals interpretations.
There are no negatives in the link you posted. As a matter of fact it even says in it "it is generally agreed that Cayce was thus not likely a conscious fraud."
Now why would you want to make Cacey out to be a villain? Why does it bother you that much when someone exists that may have helped others. Why can you not accept that there are people who help others? |
Im not making cayce to look like a villian. Im showing you that he was an opportunist that, like religious figures, had influence over simple minded gullible people.
How is this man evidence that a devine god exists? You were trying to validate him as a some special person to show that indeed.. since he was so "psychic" (which he wasnt), us atheists have nothing to say with respect to his "powers", and since its "unexplainable" he is somehow touched by divinity |
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