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Battle of the sexes (not the show) (pg. 3)
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| Slylee |
well i'm a firm believer in the term, "there's a time and a place for everything".
trust me, i work with a real bitch who likes to throw her weight around and spit orders at me which i'm usually not very good at taking, but it's a small office, and she has been here longer and is higher ranking than me, so i just take it and deal with it.
but if i was in a position where i was more like her equal...belive me, i would nip that in the bud right away.
my boyfriend is the same way with his office staff. it's like he's the f'n boss and his front desk chicks give him if he's 5 minutes late. when he tells me that, i get so mad, i'm like wtf? why don't you remind them who signs their ing paycheck! |
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| dj tek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
my boyfriend is the same way with his office staff. it's like he's the f'n boss and his front desk chicks give him if he's 5 minutes late. when he tells me that, i get so mad, i'm like wtf? why don't you remind them who signs their ing paycheck! |
haha i smell a sissy... nah but whats the deal with that, she shouldnt be giving him any . i mean, the last thing i want is to get reminded of me being late to my own firm by the front desk girl, i'd be like yeah stfu and get me a coffee. |
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| Mr. Pink |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
guys are always just like, "yea whatever". |
Awesome post slylee! I agree with you.
im completely like that too haha.
but then again, i dont consider myself a push over. I just dont give a fuk about certain things that other people care about lol :)
i guess, for the most part, im a pretty patient guy . |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I tell you it's all socialization. Men in North America (I cannot speak for anywhere else) have been taught that we need to be sensitive and passive because aggression is socially unacceptable. Women on the otherhand are being sociallized to believe that they have to fight for what they want because they live in a male dominated patriarchial world where they will be repressed unless they are better and more aggressive then the next woman or even the next man.
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you absolutuly nailed it.
p.s. how fitting your name is for this thread;) |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
my boyfriend is the same way with his office staff. it's like he's the f'n boss and his front desk chicks give him if he's 5 minutes late. when he tells me that, i get so mad, i'm like wtf? why don't you remind them who signs their ing paycheck! |
I have to ask, is she laying into him or is it light harted banter. My assistant gives me all the time and is constantly on my ass to get things done. Usually it's in good fun or I'm really delinquent in getting things finished and need her reminder. If this is the case in your boyfriend's situation then there is no need to give her . Besides, unless something is really a problem you don't want to make issue out of it in an office environment. You have to work with these people everyday so you want it to be as plesant as possible for all plus it costs money to fire someone, hire, and train a replacement. |
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| Slylee |
no she's not kidding at all. and my boyfriend is an excellent worker...he's always on top of , hardly ever late...he's a real "go getter" type. i swear every office has that ONE office manager who thinks they own the joint, it's actually amusing. and you're right, in most cases it's because they're good at what they do, and their bosses are lazy. i'm guessing you're an attorney moral. lol
anyway, he told me that there have been a lot of days where he just wasn't in a good mood and showed up late, and she said something and he snapped right back at her...so he'll say something once in a while, but i mean, it just bothers me that she even thinks she can sit there and say something about it to begin with. the office officially opens at 9:00 and that's when ppl start coming in, but they all have to be there at 8:30....if he shows up at 8:45, the whole world isn't going to end.
she'll be like, "umm, can you please let us know the next time you're going to be 15 minutes late?"
lol i'm with DJ Tek all the way.
i'd respond with something like, "why? is my coffee getting cold? i'm sorry, why don't you go make another pot" lol
i know it sounds bitchy, but if i busted my ass in college and grad school and worked my way up to partner and some ing low life office manager starts giving me for being late in my own clinic, her ass would be out of there.
*edit* and at one point, they even went to the COO of the company to complain about personal calls...i know they were just trying to get him in trouble for me calling...i don't even call that much, usually i'm just calling him back from a missed call.
it's like i wouldn't even THINK about telling on my boss because his wife calls every 10 minutes...and she DOES. but you know what? he's the senior partner and who the hell am i? exactly. a secretary. she can call every damn minute if she pleases. |
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| Mr. Pink |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
See, the problem is that men of today have been taught their entire lives that we should be less confrontational. We've been socialized to believe that unless something is really important we should be apethetic about it. Additionally, we have enough that we need to deal with and many times just don't give a about the small stuff. |
this man knows.
anywayz, the whole issue with male/female behavioral traits is the idea that gender is a social construction.
so throughout time/various society's, everyone has had their own perspective on what a man/woman should behave like and that is taught from a young age till its been embedded in your brain like some sort of tattoo.
men "aren't" supposed to cry, women "aren't" supposed to have moustaches...
but indeed.......some men do cry.......and unfortunately....some women do have moustaches lol :haha:
naaaa, but thats a physical trait! .......
back to behavioral aspects: The women in the USA are taught to fight for what they believe in. A successful woman is more likely to stand up for herself and be cut throat, than a man just mosing along doing his thing.
One thing i HATE are femenists tho.....
man, my thoughts are so scattered....too high.
ill come back on this one lol:thepirate |
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| Slylee |
| yea feminists are annoying to me as well. however, if i sense that i'm being subtly degraded or if i think a guy is being out of line w/ rude comments that are directed towards me or women in general, i'll call his ass out or just encourage the jokes (as a joke). usually that throws them off. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
no she's not kidding at all. and my boyfriend is an excellent worker...he's always on top of , hardly ever late...he's a real "go getter" type. i swear every office has that ONE office manager who thinks they own the joint, it's actually amusing. and you're right, in most cases it's because they're good at what they do, and their bosses are lazy. i'm guessing you're an attorney moral. lol
i know it sounds bitchy, but if i busted my ass in college and grad school and worked my way up to partner and some ing low life office manager starts giving me for being late in my own clinic, her ass would be out of there.
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It sounds like she may be a little excessive. He may want to speak to her or have the managing partner speak to her. That being said, if he's a partner he has a vested interest in the efficient running of that clinic and if her hard ass tactics help keep the clinic running sufficiently he should be happy. If she's that hard on a partner she must be equally hard on everyone else. Managers always have the undesirable task of trying to keep everything running smooth and under control while still maintaining an environment that keeps the employees happy. It's a tough balancing act. If she's pissing people, especially partners, off then she's not balancing properly.
Not an attorney but you're in the right area. I'm an insurance adjuster. I handle high quantum (>250K)litigious (bound for litigation) bodily injury claims. Essentially, I'm the guy that investigates the injuries and gives instruction to the defence attorneys.... oh, and I get to write all the cheques too. |
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| Moral Hazard |
I think we need more feminists.... just not the Radical Feminists (which is a specific political/social ideological group). For some reason everyone thinks of the Radicals when thinking of feminism.... that's wrong. Based on what I've read, Slylee, you are a feminist. You believe yourself to be equal to a man right? You believe that women deserve equal treatment and standing under the law, right? If you answered yes you are a feminist.
One problem facing the next generation of women is that our generation views feminists in a negative light (mainly because we cannot distinguish between feminism and Radical Feminism). This has created a back lash against feminism. The unfortunate resultis that many women are no longer demanding further equalization and are happy to maintain the ground they have already gained. Problem is that gender equality still has not been acheived and if women take the attitude that the additional gains are not worth the stigma of being labled a "feminist" then it never will be. Moreover, the next generation of women will have it worse then the current because without continued efforts some of those gains will be lost or deminished. |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
It sounds like she may be a little excessive. He may want to speak to her or have the managing partner speak to her. That being said, if he's a partner he has a vested interest in the efficient running of that clinic and if her hard ass tactics help keep the clinic running sufficiently he should be happy. If she's that hard on a partner she must be equally hard on everyone else. Managers always have the undesirable task of trying to keep everything running smooth and under control while still maintaining an environment that keeps the employees happy. It's a tough balancing act. If she's pissing people, especially partners, off then she's not balancing properly.
Not an attorney but you're in the right area. I'm an insurance adjuster. I handle high quantum (>250K)litigious (bound for litigation) bodily injury claims. Essentially, I'm the guy that investigates the injuries and gives instruction to the defence attorneys.... oh, and I get to write all the cheques too. |
hahah i work for an insurance defense firm. State Farm is our main client.
i agree about office managers needing to keep everyone in check, but it has been my experience and observation that like 9 out of 10 of them are miserable bitches who really get off on controlling people. lol that is just a big pet peeve of mine, and no matter how insignificant it may seem, if i was the head honcho and i got wind (or picked up on it myself) that my office manager was real snotty and was even trying to boss me around, i would definitely sit her down and call her out.
but yea, i've already decided not to get into all the bull at his office. i have my own crap u know? but for a while there i was like so angry about it, i couldn't stand those chicks and the fact that he wouldn't stand up to them. but now i just kill them with kindness and i never call him at work any more. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
hahah i work for an insurance defense firm. State Farm is our main client.
i never call him at work any more. |
Seems half the people I meet are involved in insurance somehow... of course I'm in Toronto where everyone is either in financial services, legal services, insurance, or retail. I don't do any business with State Farm as nearly all of my business is commercial auto and they write very little commercial business in Canada.
If the phone system at your boyfriend's office even approximates modern he should have a direct line that would go straight to his extention or to the voicemail server. If you get that number no one would know you're calling. |
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